Craft Beer Decides Adjunct Lagers Are Cool, Actually

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Nightshift Nite Lite (and its variants) does quite well, or at least it used to the last I heard about Nightshift's sales.

    This was likely a year or two ago, but they said their top three best sellers were Whirlpool, Santilli, and Nite Lite.

    It's competitively priced too, I forget the exact price, but it was drastically cheaper than all their other brands.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There was mention of Batch 19 above and I figured some folks might be interested in hearing Keith Villa discuss the 'backstory' of this beer. I had a chance to drink a draft pint of Batch 19 about 10 years ago. I enjoyed that beer.

    Cheers!

     
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  3. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Personally, I enjoy normal/full-calorie/premium adjunct lagers. Beers like Banquet, High Life, and regular Bud. The full-on light versions, not so much. I have nothing against them necessarily, but they're bland and they make me feel bloated...which is the exact opposite of the "less filling" promise Miller Lite used to make. The use of adjuncts goes back pretty long way and they were actually using rice in northern Germany well before any of our mega-breweries were putting it in theirs. People wanted it, too. I think a lot of the initial craft brewers had to take up an "us vs. them" attitude, and frankly, they DID save us from having a dozen or so super similar beers. I have zero issue with changing attitudes.
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, until -- like, now. :grin::wink:
     
  5. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Lagers = Yes

    Adjunct Lagers = No, thanks!
     
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  6. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Agreed 100%.

    Craft brewers had to differentiate themselves in every way possible, including pounding that "quality" ingredients drum even if they had stretch the truth some. I'll give a pass for that past behavior, because I'm grateful we now have real beer variety almost everywhere you go. However, we're well beyond the scrappy upstart David vs Goliath phase of craft beer and I'm ready for the false marketing rhetoric to end.

    I think corn also generally gets caught in a broad social backlash against high fructose corn syrup, even though HFCS isn't used in beer apart from certain pastry type beers made by "craft" brewers. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  7. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Grand Pooh-Bah (3,740) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    This thread made me look for Founders Solid Gold, which I’ve never had. Wegmans had fresh 15 packs canned only a few weeks ago for $16.99 so decided to give it a go! Plus,
    This being summer, I’ve already been back to drinking PBRs, which I do enjoy.
     
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  8. DefenCorps

    DefenCorps Grand Pooh-Bah (4,838) Jan 18, 2007 Oregon
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    I'll stick my neck out and say I don't care for these. To me, the brewers putting out technically excellent/exceptional adjunct lagers already have helles/ pils / Czech lagers that are far more flavorful and just as drinkable at pretty much the same price point.
     
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  9. ESHBG

    ESHBG Pooh-Bah (2,099) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    It's just fine on its own but add a little sea salt and lime and it's a great summer beer.
     
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  10. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    We were sitting on the porch, the waiter had pushed a Mimosa on us (oj/champagne). I didn't think much of it -- it should have been colder, given the dry Colorado heat. The Coors hit the spot, though. Didn't see what else they had on tap.
     
  11. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Grand Pooh-Bah (3,740) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    Wouldn’t have thought of doing that. I’ll have to try it.
     
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  12. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    What are you talking about? There’s New England IPAs, hazy IPAs, juicy IPAs, double dry hopped New England IPAs, and then you can make the same beer only switch out Citra for Strata, or Citra for Galaxy or…
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Redundant, isn't it? :slight_smile:
     
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  14. WillieThreebiers

    WillieThreebiers Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,203) Apr 26, 2012 Connecticut
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    In most situations I'd rather drink water...
     
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  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    The only quibble I have with this statement relates to the price point comment. Otherwise, I completely agree. I always assume that one of the primary reasons some consumers drink AAL's is the relatively cheap price. Otherwise, I have no idea why someone would drink a can of Hamms, as opposed to a craft pils, helles lager, etc.

    As you know, one of the taphouses here in town has an extensive taplist, with a brief description of the flavor profile for each beer. Next to Hamm's (which they almost always have on the draft list), it just says "cheap, cold". Amen.
     
  16. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    For me, SOME fraction of adjuncts is just fine. I'm sure many of the beers I enjoyed in the 70s had at least some adjuncts (I don't know which ones). I liked Ballantine Ale, Andeker, Carling's Tuborg, Huber Premium, Lord Chesterfield, Schaefer and Shaefer Bock, McSorley's Ale, Henry Weinhard Private Reseve. I'm fairly sure I would still like them now if they were available with similar formulations.
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Hmm...?

    The top selling beers in the US are Bud Light, Coors Light, Miller Lite, Bud, Michelob Ultra,... Yes, compared to craft beer these beers are economically priced but I strongly suspect that the millions of beer consumers are drinking these beers because they enjoy drinking them, not just because they are "cheap".

    Cheers!
     
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  18. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    I agree. One indication that low price doesn't necessarily drive AAL consumption was the shift of the market in the sixties and seventies from "popular priced" beer (usually regional or local) toward "premium beer" (Bud, Miller, Coors). More recently Corona, essentially an AAL, is extremely successful, but is priced much higher than Bud, Coors, or Miller.
     
  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Jack, this is an old argument, and I think at this point it's pointless to argue the topic all over again. Suffice it to say that I agree with you... I think most consumers who drink the beers you list honestly do enjoy them. However, in no way does that refute my long-standing position, which is that craft lagers are more flavorful and (arguably) superior to the ocean of macro brewed AAL swill made in this country. I would argue that lack of exposure (along with cost) is the primary reason most AAL consumers drink AAL rather than craft lagers. However, as there's no way to confirm or disprove that point of view, I'll continue to embrace my particular viewpoint based on anecdotal evidence and you can of course continue to embrace yours.

    As for the taphouse I alluded to in my previous post, I don't think their description is anything to take too seriously or get too upset about. My take has always been that this is just their way of saying that Hamms is a beer best enjoyed very cold, and shouldn't be subject to extensive, critical thought while consumed.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. DefenCorps

    DefenCorps Grand Pooh-Bah (4,838) Jan 18, 2007 Oregon
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    True, but I'm thinking more along the lines of the small breweries releasing AALs. Wayfinder's #6 is within a dollar or two of their Hell/CZAF. And the recently released Block 15 Heater Allen collab pre prohibiting lager (i think?) Was more expensive than either brewer's flagship pils.
     
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