Proposing a new list

why would anyone ever choose to pay 20 dollars shipping to get the same beers they can get from someone 10 minutes away? this is a weird complaint.

 

The high bid is Rare... Going once, going twice, rare plus KH is the new bid. Do I hear rare plus 2 Kh?

 

So should the rule be you have to accept the first deal that shows up in your BM when you put up an ISO?

 

I think the OPs point (and I'm just guessing based on similar situations) is that some people will hold off even if you give the exact trade offered. I'm on here more than I like to admit and I've been on at just the moment a perfect trade, for me, appears. I'll blast out a BM at warp speed agreeing 100% to the terms. I'll get a reply along the lines of "I'm gonna see what else I can get" or something like that. Now if it is an open ended trade like FT: Ann ISO: BA stouts.....I understand maybe seeing what is out there, seeing an offer or two. If it reads FT: Ann ISO: KH x2 and I offer KH x2 and you don't say "done", I gotta wonder....just my $.02. It's a fine line we tread here with weighing options and 'auctioning'. I don't think you'll ever stop auction type trades (except with a killer network of regular traders), but it can be very annoying when it is blatant.....((catches breath)) Happy End of the World Day!

That being said....I don't believe an 'auctioning trader' list would really be beneficial. I usually just put a mental note in my head...

 

I understand that gripe to a point, but I can't say that I agree. If I post an ISO, and get 2,3,4 offers, am I not supposed to take the most appealing offer? I should take the first offer that fulfilled my search even if someone offered to do that and then some?

As far as the IP trades, yeah they are a bit frustrating when I see an appealing offer only to find out they do not want to ship. Can't blame them. Shipping is expensive. Move on. Look for another trade, it's really not that big of a deal. Remember we are talking about beer here.

 

If someone is going to offer me more, why wouldn't I trade with them?

If someone is going to play one offer against mine (or just straight up start asking me for more), isn't it easy to just say no and be done with them?

If shipping is less with one person vs another, why wouldn't I trade with the first?

If I can get something done IP vs shipping, why wouldn't I drive 15 min and be done with the trade?

If I can deal with a BA that contributes positively to the site vs one who rubs me wrong in the forums, why shouldn't I choose to deal with the first?

Why do people have such a hard time realizing that sometimes their fair offer doesn't overlap with a potential trading partner's fair offer?

 

I agree with JM03. If I'm offered 3 beers off of my Wants list 5 minutes after I'm offered 2 beers off the list, I'm taking the 3 beers. If that makes me an opportunist, so be it. There is nothing written in the rules about taking the first offer that comes by.

That being said.... What I never do is walk someone down the aisle and then back out because I received an offer I found to be more lucrative. I generally negotiate with one person and if we make a deal, I inform all the other people who BM'ed me that I already completed a trade.

Advocacy and doing what's right by the group is important to all of us. I just don't see where this practice would be considered "auctioneering" or against what the ISO:FT forum is about. It seems silly to me that this is an issue. So feel free to put me and my bad trading etiquette on your personal naughty list....

 

I can agree that if someone puts up a specific trade, ISO: KH FT: Fou Foune and you are the first to agree to giving up the KH that should be that. But if you put up a FT with a list of beers you are interested in then you should take whoever's offer most meets your needs more. Only exception to that is if you already have the trade agreed on, no backing out for a better offer.

If you put a TV on Craigslist priced at $500 obo and you get an email offering $400 and then several minutes later an email offering $450 which are you going to respond to?

 

Too late.....

I'm glad that you're the moral compass of BA though. It's important to all of us....

 

Came here to say what Rempo said, glad I didn't have to do all that pesky typing.

 

I pretty much with you on this one. I think I'm 0-10 right now on ISO:FTs I've responded to. "What else can you add?" Blegh.

I'll never forget you trying to squeeze me by accidentally sending a regular 4D (that you let me have anyway) instead of a BA 4D just so you could send another awesome awesome box (with said BA 4D inside).

Scammer.

 

I think the point is we need to stop taking things so seriously. We are getting to the point where we have bad trader list, slow trader list, lame BIF Box sender, auction trader list, etc.etc.etc.. It's going to take me an hour to sort through all of the lists to see if my trading partner qualifies to trade with me.

 

I have no interest in lobbing bombs. I gave my opinion and you seemed to get defensive. That's perfectly fine. I'd like to think I'm a good trader and take care of the people I trade with. I'm not in the business of winning trades and feel like I've done right by every single person I've traded with and vice versa.

This is a great community and we do a pretty good job of weeding through the bad traders or people looking to take advantage of others. We police our own if you will and I don't think we need more lists or groups to keep the trading forums running smoothly.

I'd happily share a brew with you anytime.

 

If someone is definitely auctioning then I just put them on my personal do not trade list. No official list needed. It's irritating, but even on an open ended list, some beers take priority. If multiple trades come in with the same offer, I'll work through them in order of message if all involve shipping, but I'll give priority to the bigger wants.

 

OP, I agree that this kind of thing happening is annoying for the one doing the offering, but it makes sense. Where the line gets blurry is people who bluff other offers or straight up switch to auction in back channels. Sadly it's not easy to police that kind of thing.

What really annoys the hell out of me are people who try to initiate contact with haggling. I've put up a couple iso's here and elsewhere, and my inbox is exclusively filled with inferior offers. If I wanted to trade bcbs for stone ipa, I would have said so and not asked for supplication (or whatever beers you want to insert here)