New Beer Weekend #118

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  1. WunderLlama

    WunderLlama Grand Pooh-Bah (4,820) Dec 27, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Put down that cup of Joe and grab a beer, because its time for New Beer Weekend #118!

    How do I rate a beer?

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-to-review-a-beer.241156/

    Discover something new, something you might want to try…or perhaps something you might want to avoid

    How does it look?
    What glass did you use and why?
    What style of beer is it?
    What is the color?
    Are there lacings?
    What is the aroma?
    Do you smell different herbs, fruits, spices or….?
    How does it taste to you?
    Where did you get this beer?
    How much did you pay?
    Do you like this beer?
    Why this beer now?

    Let us know!

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    My new beer is from Tree House. Please meet Quadruple Shot Chocolate and Vanilla. I bought it at Tree House Sandwich. have been drinking IPAs and pilseners of late, wanted to mix things up

    4.41/5 rDev -0.7%

    look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

    Brewers Notes: Quadruple Shot Chocolate & Vanilla is an imperial milk stout brewed with House-roasted coffee roasted in a way to accentuate chocolate characteristics, liquid coca nibs, & whole vanilla beans. Pouring like syrup in the glass, it carries flavors and aromas of white chocolate chunk chocolate cookies, vanilla ice cream, and happiness. This is a great beer for sharing, it drinks especially well at 45-50 degrees in a snifter -- Enjoy!

    Chilled bottle poured into a smog city snifter , black heavy diesel motor oil, thick, viscous, syrupy, thin brown layer quickly fades, no lacings

    Aroma is chocolate , milk chocolate, cocoa nibs

    Taste is sweet, milk chocolate, vanilla creaminess, Hershey’s milk chocolate syrupy , cocoa nibs

    Syrupy, thick, viscous , coats the mouth , soft gentle bubbles float on the tongue

    Good beer
     
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  2. DoctorZombies

    DoctorZombies Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,827) Feb 1, 2015 Florida
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    Good day BAs! This morning’s new to me beer is Fremont’s 10th Anniversary Stout (2019), a blend of stouts aged in Heaven Hill barrels, Heaven Hill barrels with tart cherries added, and vanilla extract barrels (formerly bourbon barrels):


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    Poured at 54°. Black with ruby edges; some clarity under dark tan foam; ok cap retention recedes leaving a large island of micro dots and a solid plus ring; spotty lacing; heavy legs on swirl. Bourbon and cherry nose. Bourbon and tart cherries; oaky vanilla; semi sweet chocolate; more vanilla as beer warms. Smooth medium body; moderate minus carbonation; some warmth from 11.1% abv; dry oaky tongue coating. Outstanding balance of base and barrels; smells like cherry liqueur, but the tart cherry flavor mixes well with the bourbon and chocolate flavors; a little more wooden dryness and oaky linger than I want, but overall a great BBA sipper.

    4.5 | 4.5 | 4.5 | 4.5 | 4.5
    Score: 4.5 rDev +0.2%
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    An Heirloom Beer

    Well, the beer itself is not an heirloom but the beer is brewed using an heirloom barley called Haná.

    Haná barley was grown in the region now known as the Czech Republic in the 1800’s. The very first Bohemian Pilsner, Pilsner Urquell in 1842, was brewed using malt made from Haná barley. Thanks to the efforts of Crisp Malting Company (England) some Haná is grown in England to produce an heirloom barley malt.

    Due to a generous benefactor, today’s new beer is Hanabi Haná Pilsner and below is how the brewery details this beer on its website:

    “Hanabi Lager

    Haná Pilsner Style Lager Beer

    This special Hanabi beer features an heirloom grain variety named Haná that was originally used by Josef Groll to brew the world’s first Pilsner in 1842, in the city of Pilsen, in present day Czechia. Brought back from near extinction by British farmers in 2015, we source it from one of the only fields in the world where it can be found today, in Norfolk, England. Our Haná Pilsner is the rhythm section of our brewery and will be produced year-round. It represents the core of our house approach and style. Presented as a Pilsner style lager, this heritage barley brings aromatic notes of fresh wholegrain bread, nori, and dried spearmint, along with a long, fresh finish.”

    For the interested student below is a video which involves Dr. Dave Griggs, Technical Director of Crisp Malting Company. In the video Dr. Dave Griggs made it a point to mention that Haná is actually a “selection” as opposed to being a variety of barley. I found the video discussion quite interesting and hopefully some of you will as well.

    So, how does ‘old’ barley malt taste in a beer? Let’s find out.

    Served in my Polish Pilsner glass:

    Appearance:

    Straw colored with a white head.

    Aroma:

    A moderate amount of white bread Pilsner Malt aroma with a subtle impression of sweetness.

    Taste:

    The flavor follows the nose with the dominant flavor being a white bread flavor but as the beer opens up there is a very subtle hop flavor that reminds me of Earl Gray tea. There is a firm bitterness.

    Mouthfeel:

    Light/medium bodied with a dry finish

    Overall:

    While I enjoyed drinking this beer it was too one dimensional with the white bread malt dominating the flavor with little hop flavor/aroma to balance the beer. A true to style Pilsner should have notable hop character.

    @rotsaruch @RobH @KOP_Beer_OUtlet

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  4. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...nice review, Jack...personally, I liked this beer quite a bit, more than their Spring / Summer 2022 offering earlier this year...one thing I found interesting but found no evidence of is the brewery's description of this beer having "... a distinct profile of hazelnuts, cedar, redwood, fresh honeycomb, and dry peppermint."...I got a mild pepper-like note on the hop side, but not the various woods, peppermint, or honeycomb they touted...well, I have a few more bottles left to try, so I'll revisit the beer with your notes and the brewery's plus my initial take and see if anything changes with my opinion...
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW my palate is similar to your here in that I did not pick up any of that stuff. The beer's aroma/flavor was fairly simple for me: mostly white bread.
    I very much agree with "mild" and as I detailed above what little that was there was reminiscent of Earl Gray tea for my personal palate.

    If I was given this beer blind and asked "What style of beer is this?" I suspect my response would be something like: "Well, is is kinda like a Munich Helles but the bitterness level is too high for this style so...."

    I did enjoy drinking this beer but from my perspective it is not a true to style Pilsner. Maybe Hanabi could just brand it as being a "Hanabi Lager"?

    Cheers!

    P.S. Did you watch the linked video?
     
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  6. Mdog

    Mdog Pooh-Bah (2,539) Jan 7, 2004 Minnesota
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    Tried a couple Hop Rising variants, they are similar, with the hazy being sweeter and the tropical being more balanced. Both pretty decent for $9 per 6 pack.

    Hop Rising Tropical
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    Appearance: Hazy gold, good head.

    Smell: Citrusy, rind.

    Taste: Pretty sweet, moderate tropical fruit flavor, then mild to moderate citrus bitterness in the finish.

    Overall: Picked up a six pack for $9, which is a very good price for a 9%+ DIPA. Nothing mind blowing, but a pretty solid double IPA. A little sweet, but enough bitterness to balance it out somewhat. Not bad for $9/6er.

    Hop Rising Hazy
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    Appearance: Hazy yellow gold, some chunky particles, ok head.

    Smell: Fruit cocktail cup, bit of citrus

    Taste: Sweet, fruity. The fruit cocktail note from the nose is there—pear, grape, sugar, citrus. Coating feel, sweet finish.

    Overall: Another $9 6 pack of DIPA, so tried it. Quite sweet but not overpoweringly so, decent fruity flavor with very little bitterness. Not boozy. Decent for the price!
     
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  7. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...CORRECTION: the hazelnut, cedar, redwood peppermint, honeycomb descriptors are for their Fall / Winter edition (which, I think, you may have a bottle and features Chevallier malt)...and for what it's worth, I didn't pick up those flavors in that beer either, plus, on the same token, I really like the Haná pils...I picked up a warmer, toasted-like grain flavor (biscuit, I described it with a bit of honey in the background) with a peppery note in the hops...and since I just happen to have another bottle of that beer, I'll still revisit it with your notes and my past ones and see what, if anything, changes...

    ...as you can tell, I generally love the Hanabi beers even though their price point is steep (even if one lived near the brewery and didn't have to pay shipping charges)...personally, easier to find pilsner-styles like North Coast's 'Scrimshaw' or The Lost Abbey's 'Noble Tendencies' give me more bang for the buck as well as other breweries such as Heater Allen and Schillings and their recent takes on the style(s)...and I'm very grateful that many more breweries are offering some nice takes on the various pilsner categories (especially those truly geared towards German or Czech / Bavarian examples)...

    ...and, yes, I've watched the video...
     
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  8. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    Not much going on this weekend, so I will probably be getting my fill of college and professional football.
    My first new-to-me beer is ESB, an English-style ale brewed by Perennial Artisan Ales.
    Clear cherry amber color. Small off-white head with a bit of lace.
    Aroma of sweet malt, somewhat floral.
    Taste of caramel, bread. Late hop bitterness.
    Very drinkable.

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  9. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    That is very interesting about the barley. I'm curious to know if the grain can be linked to originating in that beer centric territory....And when it might have begun to be cultivated...
     
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  10. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I've got some new beers for the weekend, and rarer still, I'm actually going to review them here!

    First up: Founders French Toast Bastard, basically Backwoods Bastard (BBA Scotch Ale) with cinnamon, maple syrup, and vanilla.

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    This really nails the concept, better than I expected. That also comes with a trade off, as traditional French toast has a buttery note, and so does French Toast Bastard. It's not diacetyl, but when I taste butter notes in a beer, that inevitably comes to mind.

    Cinnamon is quite restrained, which is often something other breweries don't manage in a French toast-inspired beer.

    Really lovely overall. My partner liked it even more than I did.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1199/265657/?ba=Roguer#lists
    3.92 / -8.0%
     
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  11. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Next massive breakfast beer: Wake Up World Wide Stout, which is ... well, World Wide Stout, but with maple syrup and coffee, and a bit below the expected ABV (for context, almost every WWS I've had clocks in right at 18%, and this offering is a mere 15.2%).

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    This is really darn impressive, and more than anything balanced. The coffee - and even the woodiness of the maple syrup - provides an extra level of bitterness over the base WWS. If anything, it's even less sweet.

    Not a ton stands out. I'm quite pleased that the traditional WWS malt base is the real foundation here, with everything else an accent. The coffee is the most prominent addition here.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/64/620482/?ba=Roguer#lists
    4.05 / -6.3%

    Cheers!
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    This was discussed in the video I linked. That barley was 'found' in the Haná Valley in what is now called the Czech Republic. Since it was 'found' in the Haná Valley it was decided to be called Haná barley.
    It was 'cultivated' in the 1800's and it was the barley used to produce the malt for the first Pilsner beer (Pilsner Urquell) in 1842.

    Cheers!
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, I can sorta see that. It was more white bread-like for me but you and I have our own unique palates and what we prefer in a given style of beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...I re-watched the video and two things struck me: 1) the idea from the Crisp malting floor that that technique is analogous to slow-cooking in the kitchen. I'm a huge fan of low temp / longer cooking time and can see that translating over to the malting process, and 2) how the tasters picked up the honey notes from the grain, just as I did with the Haná...
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Crisp Malting made two process decisions when producing their Haná Pilsner Malt product: floor malting and ‘gentler’ kilning. And these process decisions will be impactful to the qualities of the resulting product. I think it is important to recognize that barley malt is a product which is heavily influenced by the various process decisions that the Malting Company (Crisp in this instance) make. The type of barley used (e.g., Haná barley) will make a difference as well but I highly suspect the process decisions have an even greater impact.

    If you have an interest in learning more about malt I would strongly recommend the book Malt: A Practical Guide from Field to Brewhouse by John Mallet to you.

    Cheers!

    P.S. In the past I considered purchasing some Crisp Haná Pilsner Malt for my homebrewing but when I saw the price that Northern Brewer was asking at the time (> $3 per pound at that time) I decided no to this. I just checked Northern Brewer and they are now asking $2.70/lb. which is still quite pricey but needless to say more economical than before. Maybe other homebrewers were balking at the very high price so they needed to reduce the pricing? Also, below is how this malt is detailed on the Northern Brewer website (with emphasis in bold by me):

    “Crisp Haná Malt brings that perfect bready, crisp continental flavor to all lager types, especially Pilsners and Helles beers. Haná malt, flavors of freshly baked bread, and subtle malty notes produce a clean, smooth wort. Its malting character is like a continental variety so treat it as such in the brewhouse with a step temperature program to solubilize the higher protein content. This will promote fantastic head retention. Haná is exceptionally pale in color.”

    The above is consistent with my perception of the Hanabi beer I drank.
     
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  16. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Thanks to the great @WunderLlama for kicking things off today! I grabbed this tripel from a bottle shop in Frankfurt. Figured I would give it a try. Devil in Disguise, a collaboration between Grohe and Two in a Rocket.

    Poured just warmer than fridge temp (walked home from bottle shop with it!). Pours a transparent yellow with fluffy white head. The nose is very nice. Herbal, oranges, grainy, apples, pears, and wheat. Smooth and refreshing on the nose.

    The taste is super smooth. Oranges, a touch of lavender, grass, what, bread, honey, apples, and an earthy bitter note. Not quite at the level of the top Belgian tripels, but fun to see one from Germany. Very drinkable.

    3.81/5 rDev +0.5%
    look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

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  17. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Next up is a new barleywine for me. Dream #4 from Fuerst Wiaceck in Berlin.

    Poured at just warmer than fridge temp. Pours an opaque orange with almost no head. Nose is full of rich caramel. Wow. Werther's all the way. A bit of apple and pear, and a nice bready malty layer. I wouldn't say the nose is overly complex, but what's there is very nice.

    The taste is very good. Not hoppy at all. This does not, to me, fall within the category of American Barleywine. This is more English. Malty, caramel, oranges, biscuits, a touch of plums. It's mildly sweet. It seems a bit under carbonated, which could lead to a syrupy feel if it was too sweet. However, this misses that point by not being overly sweet. Slide white wine note comes through with time.

    Very enjoyable with a medium body. Alcohol content not detectable.

    4/5 rDev +3.9%
    look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

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  18. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Thanks Jack. Earlier I had been up most of the night with my 17 year old Walker Hound and was exhausted. I have now read all of it and am up to speed. That area is my genetic neck of the woods and is very interesting to me. Cheers.....
     
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  19. GreenBayBA

    GreenBayBA Grand Pooh-Bah (4,265) Aug 30, 2015 Wisconsin
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    Trillium Brewing Tiny Chicken American pale ale. Featuring Galaxy, Amarillo, and Columbus hops. The look is pear juice hazy yellowish brown. There was a four-finger foam top that disappeared before I could take a picture. The smell has light scents of peach, pear, and banana. The flavor is tropical, with noticable flavors of orange, honeydew, and peach. There is a slight bitterness. A touch of spiciness. The mouthfeel is like fruit juice that is dry and smooth. The carbonation is medium. Overall, this does not have the extreme fruit scents and flavors of higher ABV beers of similar styles, but it is still delicious. It is an easy-drinking beer, that is ideal to drink outside on a beautiful day.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am sorry to hear about your dog. Your dog has made it to 17 which means you have treated the dog well over the years.

    Cheers to you!
     
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