What’s the Difference? Share your Side-by-Side (2022)

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  1. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    I wouldn’t judge :wink:

    I had my first Weihenstephaner yesterday and immediately wanted another. I think if I’d had it alone today, I’d have the same reaction. After the tasting, I think the same would be true for the Paulaner.

    Prost!


    Side note, the GF came home and saw me doing my tasting and grabbed a Paulaner from the beer fridge. She had opened it hadn’t poured it, luckily, and I stopped her b/c I figured she’d pulled the out-of-date bottle I had positioned more prominently than I should have.

    A future side-by-side was held in place because I had a capper from my home brewing days, but it’ll have to be this weekend now.

    Oh, and she got a fresher beer for herself.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The Craft Beer Channel dudes conducted a x6 side-by-side tasting of beers from the Munich Big 6 breweries for Oktoberfest type beers:



    They were a bit tipsy by the end of the tasting. :beers:

    Prost!
     
  3. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Good reminder. I've been wanting to check out this posting.
     
  4. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Playoff baseball is crazy! ANyhow, figured I'd jump in to start this weekend with the old vs new Paulaner Oktoberfest Märzen showdown. By old, I mean best by 8/22 and by new I mean best by 5/23 - so about nine months apart. The old beer was opened last night but resealed within a few minutes, so ignore the head differences (left is the old beer), as they nearly evened out. Also, with different lighting, the beers looked exact in body color and clarity.
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    On the nose, the older beer has a bit of a fruity note when compared to the more freshly baked bread of the newer beer. In the Oktoberfest tasting thread, a few of us described old Paulaner as generically "flat." And I must say, that bears out in this tasting. The old beer is more dirty and mineral-driven than the fresher beer's malt sweetness and relatively bready makeup. The bitterness in the fresher beer is a tad more crisp, whereas the older beers bitterness seems tied to the mineral vibe I am getting.

    So, a pretty straightforward comparison where an older beer seems older in mostly expected ways. In this case, the out-o-date beer isn't that bad, but it is definitely lacking against what it likely once was.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It seems like lots of folks associated old/oxidized beer with off-flavors (e.g., cardboard) but more likely what will be experienced is a 'muddling' of the flavor profile. That would seem to be the case here with the out of date Paulaner.

    Fresh is best!

    Cheers!
     
  6. WickedBeer

    WickedBeer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,210) Sep 23, 2015 Alabama
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    I plan to clean these up, but thought I’d share early notes on these two! Been wanting to do this side-by-side.


    DDG (sbs w/ MOAG)

    Hazy golden yellow coloration. Gusher on the pop, frothy white carb.

    Nose is sweet, tart, funky. Notes of underripe peach, lemon zest, and bright, musty funk.

    Palate tart and full of stone fruit flavors. Medium acid and a touch of minerality. You can tell the youth on this, whereas on MOAG you really can tell the age on the blend.


    MOAG

    Hazy golden yellow. Soft, white carb.

    Nose not nearly as sweet as 22 DDG. Notes of sawdust, lemon head candy, and wet hay. More muted.

    Drinks more softly, carbonation more seltzery on the palate. Dry, oaky flavors. Again more muted than its counterpart, but a nice subtle complexity.

    With time, the fruit starts to bloom a bit more. Definitely more than in than DDG.

    The age of the blend is noticeable; majority 2019 with a 15% 2016 base.

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  7. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Forgive my curiosity and/or ignorance, but is the non-blended in the foreground the ‘22 straight and the blended in the background the mixed “MOAG” from 20169/16 iterations?
     
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    WickedBeer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,210) Sep 23, 2015 Alabama
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    That’s correct! Here’s a picture of the back labels if you were curious.

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  9. ramseye4

    ramseye4 Maven (1,392) May 14, 2010 Virginia

    No pics, but your original picture inspired me.

    Blue Mountain Full Nelson and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

    I work nights and haven’t eaten yet today at 725pm so this will be sloppy. Sorry!

    both pour an amber color with gobs of head and lacing, the Sierra is a little brighter with the Blue Mountain a bit more robust.

    Appearance: tie

    Aroma on the SN is of citrus and pine with some grassy notes. The BM (heh) is a bright, crisp floral bouquet. It smells better than the SN, but not as pronounced.

    Aroma goes to Blue Mountain

    The SN taste is bright, piney, with lots of subtle citrus. Hop forward. The BM on the other hand, is a complete departure from the aroma. Very malt forward, earthy taste with some hop bitterness coming in at the end, it’s not bad, just now where near what the aroma would indicate.

    taste: SN by a landslide.

    mouthfeel is bright and pops for the SN, more oily for the BM.

    Mouthfeel goes toBM

    Overall I gotta give it to the Sierra Nevada. While the Blue Mountain gets the edge in aroma and mouthfeel, where the rubber meets the road the Sierra Nevada is leaps and bounds ahead.

    both are worth drinking though!
     
  10. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Nice. I haven’t had a Full Nelson in quite a while, but your description of it fits with what I remember about it.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And here's Jonny!

    Jonny of the Craft Beer Channel is back and he conducted a blind 15x side-by-side tasting. 14 of the beers are UK brewed Oktoberfest beers and he had one 'wild card' beer: Paulaner.



    He smartly IMO kept the tasting to small(er) pours so that he was not inebriated towards the end of the tasting.

    Which of the 15 Oktoberfest beers is the winner? Well, watch and see. :beers:

    Prost!
     
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  12. WickedBeer

    WickedBeer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,210) Sep 23, 2015 Alabama
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    Definitely not a common style, but I love a good Braggot. Horus Aged Ales recently released these two. Black wax is a 14yr Heaven Hill BA Dark Braggot with Boysenberries, and the White wax is a Henry McKenna 10yr BA Braggot with Boysenberries. Thought I’d share my notes on the two!

    Otherness Two (Black):

    Bourbon soaked berries on the nose; jammy, with undertones of honey sweetness and and caramel.

    Boysenberry jam, dark chocolate, rich honey. A touch of oaky tannin.

    Warm, boozy finish. Very sweet but not to the point of cloying. Definitely drinks more on the BA mead side of the spectrum overall for me.

    Otherness One (White):

    Slightly more jam, tart fruit on the nose than Two. Getting hints of spiced vanilla as well. Boysenberry smoothie vibes.

    As predicted from the nose, a lot more fruit on this than Two. Loads of dark berry flavor; boysenberry, blackberry, raspberry. Cherrywood oak chips on the tail.

    Not as full-bodied/heavy as two. More of a balance between high gravity beer and mead than with Two.

    Distinctly different yet both very enjoyable. As a lover of deep, barrel-aged complexity I’d say I enjoyed Two just a touch more. Barrel became a lot more of a factor for me. That said One was delicious and balanced, just not as much barrel.

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  13. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Pretty sure that's the first Braggot side-by-side we've had in almost two years :slight_smile:
     
  14. WickedBeer

    WickedBeer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,210) Sep 23, 2015 Alabama
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    Hahah I’m honored! Definitely an under appreciated style!
     
  15. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Figured I'd do another Oktoberfest comparison, since it's one of the most fall-ish days of the early season. Got the last MLB divisional series game on in the background as I popped open the Paulaner Oktoberfest Märzen (again) and a new find (oddly enough), Spaten Oktoberfest. The latter has a date of 7.23 on it while the former has 5.23, though I'm guessing there's a possibility they might be made at similar times and just have different length freshness periods.

    Anyhow, on the pour into the oversized glasses, the Spaten beer is just a tad darker than the Paulaner, though it's within a degree or two. The Spaten head is maybe a quarter shade lighter, and both have caps that behave similarly.
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    The nose of the Spaten Oktoberfest wafted towards me as I shifted glasses around and I noticed an attribute I thought I associated with the beer - a dose of a metallic note I sometimes get in German imports. Digging in, it's definitely there, but there's a bit of grassy and leafy hop aromas with some dry medium toast. It also sort of has that "beer-like" vibe to the aroma.

    Paulaner has a more malty, bready, and perhaps even caramelly aroma. The hops aren't jumping out as much, and the beer seems to have a fruity edge to it today (it has been less fruity in other comparisons).

    The Spaten is fairly unique compared to other Oktoberfests I've had this year. The opening taste is a rush of a bunch of the stuff from the nose, but then it settles in. First sip, I wasn't digging it, but after shaking off the unexpected I grew into it. It has a mildly sweet pumpernickel bread flavor to it that starts about mid-taste. The bitterness is actually more up front, with more heavily toasted malts making up the later notes. There is even a little nuttiness before the finish, which does have a mild grass and metal linger.

    Paulaner starts a little more husky than bitter, and more in control of itself overall. It's definitely sweeter than Spaten up front, but not as much as the nose indicates. The difference kind of evens out given the stronger malt presence in Spaten's back end. Paulaner is a little heavier in feel, though Spaten ends up being more robust in its flavors. Also, Paulaner cleans itself up a little more quickly.


    One last thing - as I eased through the tasting, the two Oktoberfests did seem to grow a little bit closer to each other; mainly I started noticing some of the "darker" bread notes from Spaten in the Paulaner. Perhaps I was sipping a little too close together to find differences (ironically), but not always and I was having some pretzels throughout the tasting.


    One more last thing - given the previous last thing, I decided to combine the last couple cL of each. The nose suffered the most. The feel evened out and the Spaten's heavy toast/pumpernickel/nutty notes still stood out in the back of the taste, but they weren't as stark in contrast to the opening as they were in the beer by itself. For some odd reason, it seemed to fall apart quite a bit before I finished it.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    On a perhaps (?) related note I recently listened to a video podcast discussion with Dr. Charlie Bamforth where he discussed during his early days working as brewing chemist for Bass there was a desire to capture a German lager quality when brewing a Bass Brewing lager beer (i.e., Carling Lager). It turns out that the chemical that 'defined' the German lager quality was DMS which is typically considered a brewing flaw. A decision was made to have Carling lager to have a specified level of DMS and he and another brewing chemist wrote the procedures to ensure that this specific value of DMS is achieved in Carling Lager.

    At higher values of DMS (e.g., >100 ppb) it may be perceived as having a creamed corn flavor (e.g., Rolling Rock). Perhaps at a lower level (e.g., < 100 ppb) you perceive DMS as having a metallic flavor?

    Cheers!
     
  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Which did you prefer?
     
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  18. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    In the end, I was enjoying the Spaten a bit more this afternoon, but I think that is mostly because its flavor profile was a "new" experience for me during this Oktoberfest season.
     
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    WickedBeer Grand Pooh-Bah (3,210) Sep 23, 2015 Alabama
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    Fun side-by-side today with the last few releases of The Broken Truck from deGarde. Cheers!

    No.6 (2020)

    Beautiful golden pour; lemon zest, white grape must, oak. Sweet, musty backbone.

    Very dry; tannin, oak, bitter lemon peel. Puckering tartness, low acid.

    No.7 (2021)

    Golden pour; sweeter on the nose; citrus candy. Freshly cut lumber, blue cheese

    Palate with a comparable dryness and bitter citrus quality. Less sour, less acid.

    Not as much complexity on the palate for either vintage, but similar in a lot of ways.

    No.8 (2022)

    Probably the most distinctly unique; white wine, grapefruit, hay. Good balance of sweet and funky. Cheesier notes as it blooms.

    Dry, lightly bitter palate. Citrus rind, wet oak, medium funk. Good tannin.

    Overall, I’m surprised after about five minutes with each how similar they were. Each one had their unique nuances, but when broken down you could find very similar characteristics on both the nose and the palate with both, characterizing a predominance of fresh oak, bitter citrus, drying tannin, and a noticeable albeit subtle funky/cheesy quality on the back bone.

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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    A cold and rainy evening had me wanting a warming beer. Near the front of my fridge was the last bottle of Founders Ultimate Oktoberfest, a beer that I felt behaved more like another style, perhaps like an old ale. I happen to have a single of those left in the same fridge, North Coast's Old Stock Ale, which happens to be a beer that, independent of style, I thought the Founders brew might resemble. This comparison is mainly just to see how far off I was.

    Founders Oktoberfest pours lighter and clearer - more of a copper golden to the rusty brown of the North Coast beer. From different angles, the Old Stock has different levels of physical clarity. Founders showed a bigger initial head, but they end up at about the same spot.
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    Old Stock has a medium dark bread aroma with a promise of some bitter hops. There's also some fruit scents in the mix. Founders Oktoberfest has a vague resemblance in both hops and fruit, but the barrel fills in for the part of any bread note I got in the other. Founders seems a bit more "bright" in that non-quantifiable quality of how I expect it to feel.

    Old Stock starts brown sugar sweet with notes of berry and some dark fruit. Bitterness counters well enough with some spice and maybe some pine that never pierces the beer's malty veneer. Ultmiate Oktoberfest also starts out sweet, but with more of a honey and turbinado sugar edge to it, which includes some influence from the barrel's former resident. There's some earthy fall spice to counter to the sweetness, but they're more balancing of the whole than creating their own thread of flavors.

    I could argue Oktoberfest is "brighter" and definitely a bit lighter with a cleaner finish, leaving me with a feel experience that is more different than I found in any of the other categories. So, there are threads of similarities that make me feel ok with my thought that Founders Oktoberfest wouldn't be out of place in the old ale category, as meaningless as that confirmation might be :slight_smile:
     
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