Barleywine Appreciation Thread (2022)

Discussion in 'The Bar' started by DIM, Jan 4, 2022.

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Which type of Barleywine do you prefer?

  1. American

    97 vote(s)
    17.0%
  2. English

    295 vote(s)
    51.8%
  3. That's like asking me to choose my favorite child, I love them all!

    162 vote(s)
    28.5%
  4. Neither, if Barleywine is life then life has no meaning.

    15 vote(s)
    2.6%
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  1. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    the OG Barleywine aged over a year in Peach Sherry Barrels at Alesmith i just had is probably......probably....the BEST BBA Barleywine i have had .
     
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  2. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Back from a hike with the family and my wife is making pumpkin pancakes for supper. We had a blast yesterday afternoon playing Gallagher (RIP) style baseball with the remains of the pumpkin. I can tell you pumpkin is hard to get out of your hair.

    Anyway, I have a quiet chunk of time to begin enjoying this absolute gem from @Beersnake1 Lifewine from Matchless.

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    Never heard of Matchless, let's see what this is about. First off I love then name, barleywine IS life. And I miss most barleywine names starting with old, ole, or 'ol. It's a heavy hitting, 15%!, English style barleywine that spent a year in Westward whiskey barrels. Tons of sticky tasting toffee that has a bit of char to it takes center stage. That char and the potent whiskey work sooo well with the toffee, keeping the sweetness in check and giving this almost a winter cocktail vibe. There are hints of fig and cinnamon here too. Warming and wonderful but far from hot. This is stellar, thanks so much for this!
     
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  3. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Peaches and barleywine just works dammit.
     
  4. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Alright, cracking my can of Ol' Lifewine 2022 from Matchless. I didn't look at @DIM 's review before posting this. I'll take a look in a minute. Didn't want my judgement clouded!

    Poured from a can at fridge temp. Pours a murky brown with a thin layer of head. The barrel immediately makes itself present on the nose. My first thought is that it reminds me of Wulver from Thirsty Dog. Very barrel forward. Toffee, raisins, plums, some vanilla, and figs.

    The taste. Oh my, the taste. This is incredible. The toffee just blows this up. Red grapes, plums, figs, bourbon, vanilla, tannins, a slight nutty note, brown sugar, sourdough bread. Unlike the nose, the heat from the barrel comes across in a perfectly smooth way. I honestly thought it might be a bit too boozy after smelling it, but it is not in any way. Super well integrated beer. Lingering sweetness. Doesn't drink like it's 15% ABV, that's for sure.

    Overall, one of the better BA English barleywines I have had in a while.

    4.53/5 rDev +1.1%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

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  5. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Alright, sounds like we weren't too far off on our assessments. Glad you liked it!
     
  6. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Heck yeah I did, nice write up! And it looks like they ship to PA:money_mouth:
     
  7. colby600

    colby600 Pooh-Bah (1,919) Mar 24, 2015 Connecticut
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    It's not only you, I thought it was garbage. I had two bottles so I had the opportunity to confirm my opinion.
     
  8. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Wow - that's awesome that they ship to PA!
     
  9. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Man, this is great.

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  10. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    Back with another barleywine tonight. Gotta help to catch up with the imperial stout thread....which I guess I also help boost with posts. Its been an interesting day with the children all sick with what could be the flu. I remain unscathed and assume that the high ABV beers I prefer to drink simply are killing the germs that do enter my system! This is Barreled Souls ABC 2.0 barleywine. a 13.1% brew that was aged in Parkers Heritage heavy char bourbon barrels for about 1.25 years. The beer also features the addition of apple and cinnamon.

    onto my review:
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    Im sampling this beer poured from a 500 ML bottle into my snifter at cellar temperature. The bottle is date stamped for 11/16/2021. I picked it up at the brewery after being in cold storage in mid October 2022. It has been in my cellar since its arrival.
    the beer pours a slightly hazy or murky cola brown color. Light passes through only the edges of my glass. Some dense beige head of about 1 cm foams up and this foam fades to a sturdy edge layering that sticks around throughout the sampling.
    Aroma is caramel and toffee mixing with a good dose of cinnamon. This is legit cinnamon, not artificial Big Red kinda smell. Just like the spice I added to my vat of cooked steel cut oatmeal this AM for breakfast. There is actually a little bit of an apple note too, I didnt expect that to carry through, but freshcut apple wedges lay behind the cinnamon. A sweeter variety of apple, not granny smith tartness.
    First sip reveals a medium body with smooth texture and fine tingly carbonation. Flavor is sweet up front and through and through. I get caramel and some brown bread notes, lots of cinnamon and some light fruitiness again. No hint of hops and the booze is well hidden. This actually tastes like an apple pie. Quite a tasty barleywine, that could be too sweet for some, but I am enjoying this one. Id drink this one again, and wish I had opened it with Thanksgiving dinner as it would fit perfectly there.

    4.39 in the BA DB
     
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  11. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Hope the kiddos feel better, that's rough. I think you're on to something about high ABV and beers being preventative of medicine. I don't get a lot of what goes around our house too.
     
  12. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I found a 2013 Stone Old Guardian bomber in a shop for $9.99. Shared with 3 other guys yesterday while watching football. Wasn’t very good. Probably too old. Still drinkable though (1 guy kinda liked it, myslef and another guy didn’t care for it, 1 guy who likes most any high ABV sweet/ pastry BA type a beer and ironically loves Busch Light as well, thought it was horrible and drain poured it.
     
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  13. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Interesting. I have bottles going back to 2005 and they have been amazing at over 10 years. Turns into a malty English barleywine. I wonder how that one was stored?
     
  14. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Man, Barreled Souls and Jackie O's just kill it. They release quite a few barleywines, and they are almost always great.
     
  15. Uberdachen

    Uberdachen Devotee (355) Jun 21, 2019 Minnesota
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    Dual Citizen Brewing Company - Mayhem & Mischief American barley wine-style ale

    Enjoying this way more than last year’s gold medal winning version, which made me aware after one sip that I had some Covid smell/taste stuff going on. Bummer I couldn’t have found that out on a 12 oz format. Anyways, good stuff.
     
  16. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I am confused about which thread is most appropriate for this one! It's a blend of 2 & 3 year old barrel aged barleywine and whiskey barrel aged stout. Fantastic stuff!

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  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I need to assume that by default we are talking about barrel aging where the goal is to impart a spirit character. I'm a barbarian, so I needed to look up what sine qua non meant. Out of your choices, none of the above are for me. It's essentially a turn off for me at this point. I'm happy these beers are around though, because none of them tempt me to buy them anymore... and my self control isn't the greatest. @DIM might understand what I mean. :wink:

    While I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is sine qua non in the market at this time, it's close enough that people's style expectations have shifted to the point that spirit barrel aging is the assumed default... and as such, I think it's fair to say that this doesn't represent a variation on a style, but an actual change in the beer style to some degree. That's a bit sad to be honest (we gain and we lose), but more than that, it's a very interesting thing to live through.

    I had a small pour of Brooklyn Capataz last night (pictured below for the thread) which was aged in Pedro Ximenez and Amontillado sherry barrels from the House of Lustau. Since this was wine barrels rather than spirit barrels, it's a more agreeable beer for my tastes. Having said that, the marketing of the beer still aligns with the current spirit barrel aging marketplace in that the specific origins of the barrels are stated. Since barrel aging is no longer a satisfying differentiator between beers (with the style shift), barrel origin has become an increasingly important differentiator in marketing. In other words, the main marketing dialogue is no longer about a "regular" barley wine vs. a barrel aged barley wine or a whiskey barrel aged barley wine... it's evolved into a Heaven Hill barrel barley wine vs. an Old Forester barrel barley wine (and for how long and in what combination).

    Just look at the shifting state of Bigfoot. At the moment, it's the one surviving constant in my area in the non-barrel-aged category... and if we go by the comments on BA about it not showing up as much, it's popularity appears to be slipping. At one point in the past, SN was marketing bourbon barrel aged versions that focused on it being a blend of vintages. Today they are selling a branded "Colonel E.H. Taylor Bourbon Barrel-Aged Bigfoot" with Taylor being arguably more visually dominant on the label than Sierra Nevada... and packaging it in a tube designed to mimic the bourbon brand. The marketing seems to have worked extremely well for Sierra Nevada in this recent case. It's one brand identity leveraging another identity... but whose product are you really buying?

    IPAs have seen a similar thing with the hops that are used in the beer. Hop variety has become part of the marketing for IPAs. Despite the fact that hops of the same type can impart very different flavors depending on where they are grown, the time they are harvested, their condition, and how they are used... consumers still like to make distinctions between IPAs based on the name of the hop used. I am making an assumption here... but I wouldn't be surprised if this categorized thinking is a more problematic differentiator with spirit barrel brands. Are all Heaven Hill barrels in use by various brewers in the same condition and achieving the same results? It would be a fantasy to assume so.

    Yeah, I know I'm being very long-winded on the state of barrel aging today.

    If a barley wine is being barrel aged for fermentation reasons, I'm excited to try the beer. If it's to provide pure oak flavor, I'm no longer interested. If the story is about a spirit that used to be in the barrel, I'm usually not very interested.

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  18. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    DIM understands all too well, DIM's wife...well she's trying to understand.

    Great post, you are spot on about the dramatic shift in expectations for this style. Both nonbarrel aged and hoppy examples are becoming hard to find. Sweet has become standard, much like the barrels have. I think in the last year or two I found maybe two hoppy non-barrel aged barley wines? They both tasted a revelatory.
     
  19. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Great discussion! I totally agree with both of you about the lack of non-BA barleywines. Bigfoot was always a favorite, and it's getting harder to find. It's amazing how many people in barleywine groups hate on Bigfoot. The consumer has slowly evolved towards a sweet barleywine.

    The rise in bourbon has led to breweries using the names to boost sales. Now, how many people can pick out a specific distillery in a beer? I am a big Scotch fan, but I would not be able to tease apart different distilleries in a beer, although peated versus non-peated is quite easy. I also think barrel-aged is synonymous with high ABV, so the increasing desire for higher ABV beers may also be linked to the demise of non-BA barleywines. This is a generalization, obviously, as there are high ABV non-BA barleywines, but they do seem more difficult to find.

    Now, I will admit that I love trying barleywines in different barrels. I love brandy and bourbon BA barleywines, but I also really appreciate the classic non-BA versions just as much.
     
  20. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Anyone here old enough to remember the show "Name That Tune"? Tonight I'm going to play Name That Barleywine with a blind offering from @Beersnake1

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    I can name this barleywine in 1 sip:stuck_out_tongue:, it's gotta be Maris Goes Nuts. The first sip was far nuttier than any barleywine I've tried, it just has to be. I'll write my notes before the reveal though.

    I get plenty of sweet toffee with hints of pears, vanilla, molasses, and raisin up front. The finish is almost all nuts, candied nuts. I won't try to hard to name them, maybe peanuts, walnuts? They are nicely roasted, maybe even salted a little? Not something for everyday, but I'd like to have it again sometime.

    Do I win?
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    Nope, I got the nuts right at least. Sort of. And kind of the vanilla:flushed: This was fun, thank you sir!
     
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