Rant: Low Volume Pour for ABV Deemed "High"

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hotajax, Jan 19, 2023.

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  1. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Respectfully I’d find somewhere else to drink.
     
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  2. Hotajax

    Hotajax Aspirant (201) Oct 4, 2020 Pennsylvania
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    I have been. But I occasionally see if the nerds have a brew I can't live without. Occasionally, they do, but in all honesty, lately their recipes have been getting strange. It seems the number of cars in the parking lot substantiates my suspicions.
     
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  3. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    Who are the nerds if I may ask?
     
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  4. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    I'd argue the fact that they cost substantially different is a myth. At the scale breweries are buying grain and malt, the price different to up abv is small. Time spent aging is a higher cost so barrel aging makes sense to cost more as well as lagering but thank the big boys for convincing the country lagers should be cheap beer.
    Anyways, breweries sell bigger beers for more and it trickles down the the customer. As for constipation, drink a few of those big beers and mix in an ipa or two, clears me out everytime
     
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  5. Hotajax

    Hotajax Aspirant (201) Oct 4, 2020 Pennsylvania
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    If you PM me, I will tell you. I'm not out to destroy their biz in this forum. They don't can their beer, so you'd never see it in MI. Very small operation.
     
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  6. mvogt

    mvogt Pundit (759) Sep 10, 2021 Massachusetts

    That's what Tree House does too, more or less. A beer is $8. For your ticket you can get 20oz of a lager or 16oz of Julius or 10oz of barleywine.
     
  7. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    I believe the answer to this question should be Dr. Zoiglberg, per another forum.
     
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  8. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I completely understand charging more for high ABV beers (especially barrel-aged as that adds to the cost of production). However, I have a very big issue with some pubs and breweries serving that smaller amount in a tiny glass. Literally filled to the top. No chance to actually smell it! I would much rather have that smaller amount in a normal snifter or tulip.
     
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  9. Hotajax

    Hotajax Aspirant (201) Oct 4, 2020 Pennsylvania
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    @elNopalero Can you interpret for me what this means, please? I'm not privvy (yet) to insider lingo, if that's what it is. Dr. Z?
     
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  10. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Packaging costs don't depend on alcohol content, but the cost of fermentables for brewers is likely noticeably higher for high alcohol beers. Of course the brewer might cut costs by upping the alcohol with corn sugar. Olde English anyone? Breweries need a PROFIT and they see that high alcohol beers are trending these days. So the increased price could be a combination of higher costs and high consumer demand. Who's to argue with the free market? Note that in the US, high alcohol brews get a tax break not available in most other countries. The US excise tax is flat with respect to alcohol (unlike distilled products). Plus smaller brewers get a tax break below the standard excise level.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is needed are beer glasses with fill/demarcation lines.

    But I am personally not holding my breath that this will ever happen.

    Cheers!

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  12. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    in Vancouver, BC, in the early 70s, a big tavern in the city center served their draft in glasses with a white fill line. The servers carried around a tray with ready-poured drafts, asked "how many?", served, then took payment and gave change from a change dispenser on their belt.
    Also, the northwestern returnable stubby bottle had a glass mold ring around the neck at the fill line, so a retail buyer could tell if he was getting short weight. Of course the rest of the country would say they were all short, because the bottle was 11 oz size.
     
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  13. medb

    medb Devotee (329) Aug 27, 2013 California

    If only there was a Reindeer named Plastered.
     
  14. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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  15. Hotajax

    Hotajax Aspirant (201) Oct 4, 2020 Pennsylvania
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  16. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    FWIW I like this approach. Tree House basically works on this system since draft tickets are bought ahead of time. $8 each, but beers over 10% you get a 10oz pour instead. However it is unfortunate they limit you to 3 drinks
     
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  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    It’s a matter of brewers finding their sweet spot with price and volume. Some taprooms don’t want people taking up real estate and nursing one high ABV large drink. They want people ordering beers. If the marketplace allows certain brewers to charge more per ounce based on ABV, those brewers will not devalue their product by charging less, so they opt for a smaller serving size. Many customers wouldn’t order a large expensive pour. If many customers dislike the small serving size, brewers won’t move the beer and they will adjust.

    Since you asked, thread feels more like the whiny state than the nanny one. Maybe those go hand in hand. :wink:
     
  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    When I was young and single, I sometimes drove when I shouldn't, and was very lucky. These days I'm paranoid about drinking and driving, I drive a cop-magnet, and when I want to try a strong beer I can't get anywhere but a taproom, I really appreciate the small pours. Although the price per oz is often high, I realize that it costs more to make such a beer, and I'll pay that penalty to avoid trouble.
     
  19. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Same. I was also once in a random small restaurant that for some reason had Raison D’extra on tap and was servicing it in full pint glasses. I had two. The wife drove us home.
     
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  20. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    I don't understand why bars have the nerve to not serve me whiskey in a pint glass for $8
     
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