Heads Up: Karma System Revamp!

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Nov 23, 2022.

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  1. KP7

    KP7 Pooh-Bah (1,605) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts
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    Agreed.

    One question on how reviews vs ratings levels work, though. If I review a beer (which includes rating the beer) does the beer get counted only as a review, or as a review plus a rating? That is, is the only way to increase your stats for beer ratings to not review them? I hope I'm misinterpreting this.
     
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  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Your number of beer/place ratings and reviews are now two completely different stats.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/updating-your-rated-and-reviewed-stats.671341/

    Before this, your number of ratings included reviews.
     
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  3. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    I think they are totally separated, so you get both if reviewing. Clearly reviewing is supported, more points.

    Edit, Todd naturally explained!
     
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  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Because they are totally separated now, you don't get both.
     
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  5. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    How do you then rate a beer and review? Do you not rate the beer when you are reviewing?

    Do I now rate the beer, get the karma, then a day or two later add my review to get the review karma?

    Just trying to see how the differences work.

    Enjoy
     
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  6. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Then karma could go down at times when you review, if pure ratings go below a threshold? Hope not...better to let them be locked once granted. But that would put people in different positions if they review directly or later.
     
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  7. KP7

    KP7 Pooh-Bah (1,605) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, this is what I was getting at. Seems a bit weird to make them mutually exclusive categories when one of them requires that you take the action of the other.

    Edit: I like that you've separated them as stats, but maybe for points you could do Beers Reviewed = reviewed stat, while Beers Rated = rated + reviewed stats?
     
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  8. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Sometimes I feel things are not always fully thought out.

    Enjoy
     
  9. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Rated -> rated stat
    Reviewed -> rated+reviewed stat

    That would prevent karma from going down at times when adding a review to a previous rating. Could be psychologically important?
     
    #349 beer_beer, Feb 19, 2023
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  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Seems like people are expecting more points for reviewing, which was already taken into consideration. Look at the criteria for the levels. It's 10x more effort to get points if you're just rating beers/places.
     
  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Nope. The more you review the more points you'll get as you hit the achievements.

    Rating = 1-5 score with < 150 chars
    Review = 1-5 score + 150 chars or more
    Beers/Places = Ratings + Reviews
     
  12. WillieThreebiers

    WillieThreebiers Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,203) Apr 26, 2012 Connecticut
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    So, is it done, or is there more fun to come?
     
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  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  14. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    If I rate a beer I get those points.

    If I go back a week later and review do I lose the rate points or get both?

    Enjoy
     
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  15. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    If you rate a beer and then go back and review it, your number of beer ratings will drop by one and your number of beer reviews will increase by one.

    And karma points are only accrued when you meet the achievement criteria.
     
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  16. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Yes, think you could, if you don't hit a new review level simultaneously. Guess you will have to rate another beer then, without reviewing, and you get your rating points back!

    I foresee some problems with this, people posting at times: where did my karma go? I added a review, and my points decreased :astonished:
     
    #356 beer_beer, Feb 19, 2023
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    To borrow a term from an ex-President it sounds like some BAs are thinking about Strategery? :confused:

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  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    That's not how it works, so there's no need to worry about something that won't happen.
     
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  19. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Got it.

    thanks

    Enjoy
     
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  20. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Nah, considering how much I don’t rate or review. Just trying to figure out how things will be working going forward.

    Enjoy
     
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