Heads Up: Karma System Revamp!

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Nov 23, 2022.

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  1. KP7

    KP7 Pooh-Bah (1,605) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts
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    More effort and more value to the site getting rewarded; makes sense to me. As someone who works in an information field, splitting reviews and ratings in this way simply isn't how my mind works. Thanks for being open to suggestions but also for shutting them down when appropriate so that you can finalize the rollout.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, maybe you aren't but...

    Cheers!
     
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  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yeah. I can easily make updates based on feedback. I'm also going to take some time to reflect on the rating/review split during my afternoon break.
     
  4. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Sorry for beating a dead horse, but something isn't clicking for me and I haven't had my "Aha!" moment.

    When ratings/reviews points are accrued, could there be a scenario where accrual reversing or a clawback of points would come into play? Or is it once achieved, always achieved?

    Suppose a ratings drop by one (due to an additional review) brings one below a previously achieved threshold, like from 250 to 249.

    Thanks for the enhancements, and for exposing the mystery of yore :beers:
     
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  5. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    I know Todd isn’t through yet with the revamp but it does look interesting and well put together so far.

    I’m not overly concerned about the number of Karma points though based on the previous Karma system I’m already up quite a bit, but the various achievements are interesting.

    Makes sense, gives sort of a goal (I remember advocates wanting to « tick » the 50 states, others the Top 250 rated beers and so forth). Keep it up!
     
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  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Nor am I. really. It's more an interest in the mechanics, coupled with some lingering OCD.

    Same here. It will be interesting to see how the points align with the previous monikers (maybe that's another tidbit I've missed)
     
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  7. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Karma's comin' back! Get that hat warmed up, @BBThunderbolt!
     
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  8. defunksta

    defunksta Grand Pooh-Bah (4,164) Jan 18, 2019 Wisconsin
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    I also support the idea:
    Rating = Rating Karma
    Review = Review + Rating Karma

    I agree with the mindset of you cannot review a beer without rating it. On the site you literally cannot submit a review without a numerical rating. A rating is a more thorough and thought-out process and takes 10x the time of simply rating the beer. If I were chasing Karma, I can click 5 boxes and rate a beer in five seconds. A review though (possible character minimum?) tells much more of the story and should be worth more and encompass a rating. In my opinion, that's what makes this site great and better than a quick rating and picture on Untappd. I think it should include the rating Karma too. Anyway, my two cents.
     
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  9. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Points taken away then -points you are below the achievement level.
     
    #369 gatornation, Feb 19, 2023
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  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Update: Took some time to think about the ratings/reviews feedback.
    Back to loading achievements.
     
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  12. KP7

    KP7 Pooh-Bah (1,605) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts
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    Thanks, Todd! This makes a lot more sense to me.
     
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  13. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Well said. Personally I'm already very near old poo-bah with 1485, was fighting for becoming even half. So nothing to complain about :heart_eyes:
     
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  14. cryptichead

    cryptichead Grand Pooh-Bah (4,897) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    Enjoying the new updates!

    Wondering if there is a way to track reporting changes (ie correcting ABV, descriptions, styles, etc)? I think old Karma used to reward for submitting changes. It'll be a good incentive to keep listings up to date and accurate
     
  15. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    The old system didn't track this, nor do we have a way to track past update submissions. Tracking would require some major updates.
     
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  16. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    Its obvious a lot of work went into this so many thanks from someone who spends a lot of time here. Im here enough that my wife is suspicious that I have a girlfriend who's into beer.
    Again thanks
     
  17. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    Love this new revamp, thanks and cheers @Todd! :beers:
     
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  18. cambabeer

    cambabeer Pooh-Bah (2,670) Dec 29, 2010 New York
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    Yeah I’m on board with this, I’m not better than saying dangling some points in front of me will probably work, haha. About to go take some place pics :joy:
     
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  19. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    You too? While BeerAdvocate is more than addicting ‘cause of its mostly great community, we don’t want you to go through something unpleasant. :wink:

    Cheers and indeed thanks for the work and efforts put into this.
     
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  20. Spade

    Spade Pooh-Bah (2,568) Mar 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    "Your messages have been liked 2,500 times."

    That's unpossible.
     
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