Brewery Pet Peeves (2023)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by FBarber, Feb 28, 2023.

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  1. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
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    I just purchased the tickets when I got there for my last few visits. (Deerfield and Charlton).
     
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  2. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Right, I walk in and order, a fee is added and I say no. You say that’s the deal here and then I just walk out.



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  3. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I would do the same, if it came to that. Obviously, you want to make a point, right? However, I'd just as soon not waste my time and gas even going to a place like that.
     
  4. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Exactly, I’m thinking more that I had no idea this was a thing. If I knew ahead I’m not wasting my time either.



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  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I don't agree with this. The best service I've had at a restaurant was at a Michelin 3 star restaurant in Paris. Service is included in the meal cost, which as you might expect, is quite high.

    Servers there are quite well paid (they're on salary at the better places), and are very glad to have a job at these restaurants. The restaurant and the staff take pride in the quality of the service they provide and are justly renowned for it.

    I honestly don't know if that sort of system would work here, but it might be worth giving it a shot. That being said, I don't mind providing a generous tip for good service, but (as you alluded to) I don't like those places that add on a certain tip amount that I'm required to pay no matter how poor the service. I also don't like places that expect me to provide a tip, and automatically include it in my bill, even if "service" consists of putting my food in a bag and handing it to me at the cashier station. Maybe a nominal charge for that service would be appropriate, but 15% or 20% of the entire bill is ridiculous. IMHO.
     
  6. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    My main pet peeve is brewery taprooms that don't have a functioning and current taplist online. So many never update them, have a broken link, or don't bother having one at all. I don't often just visit taprooms to see what's available, I usually go for a specific beer. They're losing business by not keeping their customers informed.
     
  7. Ronmarley1

    Ronmarley1 Savant (1,187) Jan 20, 2014 Ohio
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    There’s a brewery I like, about 50 minutes away. One complaint: prefilled crowlers. Who knows how long they’ve been there. Also, just recently… Their draft version of beers tastes different than the canned version, with the cans being significantly worse. It just got to be too much, so I don’t by crowlers or cans from them anymore.
     
  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I'm the opposite, I never look at online menus, don't care if they even exist. I'm gonna walk in and at what's live. 99% of the time there's something I want. That other time I walk out.
     
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  9. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    I don’t agree that service at a Michelin star restaurant has anything at all to do with service at 85+% of restaurants or 95% of breweries in the US
     
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  10. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    If you don't my asking, why not? I understand that there's a considerable price/cost differential, but otherwise we're still talking about restaurant service, compensation for the service provided, and whatever incentives are required to make sure that service is as good as possible. I don't expect service at my local pub to be as accomplished as what one can expect at a Michelin star restaurant, but I'm not sure why I/we can't expect friendly, courteous, quick and efficient service without the promise of a whopping size tip. Supposedly, the server is already compensated by the owner for his/her work, and a tip on top of that is provided for exemplary service in addition to that. I'm well aware that's not how it works for a majority of pubs and restaurants in this country today, and I'm just wondering if perhaps some other method or system might produce better results.
     
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  11. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Is your belief or experience that countries and cultures that don't generally engage in tipping also don't have good customer service? I only have limited experience (and none of it at extremely upscale establishments) but it has been that I received the same spectrum of service - from disinterested to excellent - in countries where no one tips ever as I do in the states
     
  12. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    All of the taprooms are out of town for me, so if I'm going for a beer I'd sure like to know there's something I'll want before I go.
     
  13. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    Yes, that is my experience from when I used to travel internationally for business. In general, the level of service is more frequently not great and now to enable the owner to pay higher wages to compensate for no tipping I am paying about what I would as if I was buying a meal plus a great tip in countries where tipping is customary and not built into food prices.
     
  14. BillAfromSoCal

    BillAfromSoCal Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 24, 2020 California
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    Why not? Because a Michelin Star rated restaurant can afford to, and wants to, hire only very experienced, top-notch staff. Sure, some serving staff at misc. other restaurants where tipping is customary do a great job, and sure every server is capable of "....friendly, courteous, quick and efficient service", but they don't do always do it. Removing the incentive (tips) sure isn't going to improve that if they believe their job is secure and there is no financial incentive to go the extra mile.
     
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  15. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I suspect the Michelin restaurants earn the star because the chef puts the same amount of care into staff training as they do their food. Bad service = bad management and that can be blamed on the business who has the power to hire and fire, but lets it happen.
     
  16. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I think it's 2 Friday - Sunday and 3 Mon-Thurs.? I think my brother said Tewksbury was 3 drink limit on the Saturday he went though.

    Oh it's a minor pet peeve for sure. I ordered mine before I even left my place. I still find it annoying, as you said, YMMV. I wonder if older people get frustrated by it, for example I can't see my parents figuring out how to order a drink there.

    Look at the number of people in this six page thread who just want a paper menu and don't want to scan a QR code.

    And again, it's not Tree House's fault. I blame the hype people have created about their beer. They make great beer, but they're not the only brewery in MA making great beer.

    I think it's more about how busy they are than a drunk driving thing. But it is probably a bit of the latter too.

    You might have to reserve times to pick up cans for Tewksbury and maybe Sandwich due to those places being busier.

    I've been to different countries multiple times. For the most part service is ok, just incredibly slow compared to here. There seemed to be no incentive to serve quicker. Part of that could be cultural differences too.
     
  17. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Wondering how many have gone to a Michelin Star restaurant. Since they don't come to TX, none have it here, its also a very political process. I was trying to find the article I read about it when they came to Florida last year that outlined it a little, but can't seem to find it.

    Though there are a few restaurants here where their east coast counter part, or London counter part, basically the same restaurant, does have a Michelin Star (or did at one time). The few times I have been to those, I wouldn't say the service is any worse or better than a lot of places. Either upscale or otherwise. I mean, they have to memorize a lot of things about the process or what a particular dish is, and they are trained to recite that well, but so what. One of them is a dumpling place, pricy "Michelin Star" dumplings, with tiny bites and I wasn't satisfied. I'd rather just go to a real soup dumping spot in Belaire (a big all encompassing "Asia" town area). But, thats just me. It just means an over priced restaurant with a star given out by a tire company IMO, ha. Which shouldn't really be put on a pedestal.

    And we are wandering a little off topic now.
     
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  18. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    At least in France, I think it's a cultural difference. Restaurants feel as if they're providing exceptional service by allowing patrons to take their time. 3 hour or longer dinner meals are fairly typical, especially at the higher end restaurants. As an American, it always takes me a while to adjust to this kind of service (but my wife loves it).

    I would add that this sort of service is not entirely unknown here. The French Laundry in Napa makes it clear that when you book a table with them, it's yours for as long as you care to stay there and dine (no rushing customers off so the restaurant can "turn" the table). Meals there can end up being fairly protracted as well, though they're still not as long as some of the meals we've had in France. A dinner we had at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant in Bordeaux lasted more than three and a half hours with no end in sight. I finally couldn't take it anymore and told the server we would like the check. They brought it right away with the rest of our food provided in an elegant to go container.

    It's an amazing experience, but you really need to be prepared and to take your time over dinner.
     
  19. HoppingMadMonk

    HoppingMadMonk Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Mar 3, 2017 New Jersey
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    Im wondering if the good service is also due to many places in Europe still look at service jobs as an actual career.
    In the states its a college or high school job and not respected in the same manner
     
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  20. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Yeah, especially you coming from one of the faster paced regions in this country. Which is a notoriously fast paced culture to begin with. I think Americans in general tend to move at a pace that most other places think of as hurried and almost frantic. I don't know how much tipping is the result or cause of that
     
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