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  1. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Looking for some assistance from our German 'locals' and anyone that has enough experience to provide some additional feedback.

    I submitted research to a conference that will be held in Bielefeld in mid-August 2023. If our work is accepted, I'll be going. Because I'll be coming from the U.S., I'm essentially planning for an extra travel day on either side. So, if I leave on a Wednesday, I'll arrive on a Thursday, and expecting Thursday to be mostly worthless due to jetlag. (Q1: Is this valid, or silly?). Then when I leave, I plan to also plan to stay the night before I depart in the location I am flying back (on the very next day).

    My plan was to fly in 2-3 days early, do some fun stuff, then after the conference is over, bookend with the same thing. The idea being that I might visit Zurich for 1.5 days, maybe Parish for 1.5 days, Maybe Berlin for 1.5 days. For clarity, the schedule might look like this:

    Leave on Wed.
    Arrive on in Zurich on Th.
    Take Train from Zurich to Paris on Th.
    Spend Th. Night and Friday night in Paris.
    Take train on Sat to Berlin.
    Spend Sat and 3/4 of Sun in Berlin
    Take train to Bielefeld on Sun.
    At Bielefeld from Sun night to the next Sat or Sun. (approx. 7 days)
    Take Train back to Zurich and stay in Zurich Sat or Sun.
    Stay and explore in Zurich on Mon and Tues,
    Fly back on Wed.

    So, I need some help. Here's a list of questions, as succinct as I think that I can make them. Looking for lots of feedback.

    Q2. Where should I fly in? Paris? Berlin? Zurich? Keep in mind that there are no "direct" paths to Bielefeld, so I'll have to take a train from any city. The question is, where to fly from. The idea being that I'd like to fly into one of the cities that I'd like to spend 1.5 days in. Ideally, I'd be spending time here at the end of my journey, not the beginning. See Q3 below.
    Q3. It appears that trains still well-connect Europe. How practical are trains for this strategy? Since I've never visited Europe, I'd like to see more than just Bielefeld. Suppose I flew into Zurich. Is it reasonable to take a train from Zurich to Paris, stay there for 2 nights, then take a Train to Bielefeld, stay there for the conference. Then take a train to Berlin for 2 nights, then take a train back to Zurich, stay there for 2 nights before flying back? I know all these trains will be 6-7 hours long. Which is why I'm really getting 1.5 days, but 2 nights in a hotel.
    Q4. What to do while in Bielefeld? OK, so the conference may be a week, but I don't intend to spend 100% of my days there every day. I intend to probably be gone for a full day once, and be out 2-3 other days for 1/3 or 1/2 of the day. So, I'm trying to figure out what I can do "same day" while staying in Bielefeld. That doesn't mean that I'm unwilling to travel outside Bielefeld, it just means I'm trying to figure out what is practical. That can be taking a vehicle (rental), a taxi, or a train - As long as I can get back again.
    Q5. Where to stay in Bielefeld? OK, this may seem dumb. I know where the university is, and I can look for lodging, but it's clear that there aren't really very many lodging options right on top of the Universität. So, my main concern is lodging with proximity to plenty of food options - all times of day. Basically, if I am going to be stuck at the conference from the time I arrive that day until I am ready to leave, then I need to make sure that when I am not there, I don't have to find transportation just to get to plenty of food/beverage options.
    Q6. Should I consider getting a vehicle (rental)? I understand that an additional drivers license may need to be applied/paid for. Haven't checked regulations here or elsewhere. Just looking to hear some thoughts.
    Q7. Language barriers and allergies. OK, although I intend to try to learn some basics, I have never had a German language class. My basic concerns are my ability to get around, read train stations, airport signs, etc. AND my ability to NOT get myself killed by ingesting food I am allergic to (All types of nuts, peanuts, and all seafood). I'm also worried about this for travel to Parish, Zurich, Berlin.
    Q8. Am I trying to do TOO much? I want to really get the best bang for my buck, but I also don't want to try to force a schedule that simply will NOT work.

    I think that mostly covers it. Looking forward to some great discussion.
     
  2. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    Yes, to your first question about rest and transition on the first day arriving from an overnight flight--a person usually needs a day or two to transition. We usually try to fly into a destination that is "easy to navigate" aka public transit is clear and easy. A good day for walking and rehydrating-try to drink a glass of water with each beer. The other important first day "issues" are delayed flights and missing luggage. Spending the first night or two in proximity to arrival city relieves that anxiety.

    Your itinerary appears very ambitious. The devil is in the details.

    I assembled this sheet in MS Word for our trips to Europe--you'd only need to modify it for your situation. You would be surprised what goes into food or drink.
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. mvogt

    mvogt Pundit (759) Sep 10, 2021 Massachusetts

    You must be super excited for your first trip to Europe! I'm in the process of obsessively planning a Munich trip, so I wanted to share a couple of things I've learned.

    Planning flexibility into your first day isn't a bad idea, especially if you don't have much experience with jet lag.

    I wouldn't rent a car for a solo trip focused on cities.

    Seat61.com is a helpful site to learn about taking trains around Europe, both in general and specific destinations. Bahn.com/en is the Deutsche Bahn site (German railroad), useful for looking up how long it takes to get from A to B, even outside Germany. (Good news! There is a direct train from Berlin to Bielefeld!)

    Zurich honestly wouldn't make my top three list of European cities. It's not bad or boring (except on Sunday) but it's relatively far from Berlin and Paris, and you don't have time to get out to the mountains. Would you consider subbing (looks at name of website) Munich? Or Amsterdam?

    Everything I've seen indicates that German train stations etc have a lot of English, and that a lot of German people speak some English.

    Edit: If you're buying your own flights, consider flying in and out of different cities. It might or might not be more expensive, but schlepping back from Zurich to Berlin (or wherever) also has its cost.
     
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  4. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    Just a note on Paris in August: that is "vacation month" in France and much of Paris shuts down (gone to the beach or mountains or...). Nonetheless, many of the main attractions are still mobbed such as the Louvre.

    A note on flights: you might also consider an "open jaw" itinerary where the city you fly to is different than the city you return from. Fly into Paris and return from Munich. The real question is what drives your interests in visiting the cities you cited.

    Language Barriers: Some simple attempts in greetings and basic questions in the local language goes a long way. Phrase guides in most travel books are helpful. The most question is, "Where is the WC?" aka the bathroom.

    Recommend checking out TripAdvisor for info on Bielefeld. There is likely a Forum on Bielefeld, or the region, where people can better answer those local questions.

    Bielefeld would also be a member of a regional transport association which would provide maps, timetables, etc. for getting around the town.

    At a state-level you can purchase a Lander ticket good for travel on all regular transit all day (buses, trams, trains) excluding certain intercity transit. All that information is on the DB webpage.

    FWIW, we find Munich to be an excellent city to fly into. The airport is a charm compared to many other European airports. It is easy to recommend flying there and departing from one of the other cities.

    You might also want to consider how you will use a cell phone in Europe, for making phone calls and for using data. The prices on typical Verizon/AT&T plans can quickly accumulate. Google Fi is a good option (it uses the backbone network of the main German cell network). Google Fi is very good in many countries.
     
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  5. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Thanks for all the great feedback. Really appreciate this.

    @mvogt Certainly open to what cities to visit. 2 seems very obviously doable, but 3 could be difficult. If I could pick any European cities, Nordic cities would be in my top, but that's not realistic for this. I've always thought that Switzerland seemed like a great place to visit, but maybe this is just romantic, or maybe this is only on an extended trip. That's certainly one of the reasons I'm looking for feedback. Munich and Amsterdam are certainly options, I just don't know enough about these places to make good decisions.

    Abasically, my reasons for visits include:
    • The Sights - Not necessary the obvious "Oh, that's the Eiffel Tower" or "Visit the Louve", but taking in the sights of a city, visual scenery, and so on.
    • The Food - I'll be on a budget when I am in these other cities that I won't be on when I am in Bielefeld. That said, I know that I can still experience amazing food, I just probably won't have any fine dining - or, perhaps, maybe just 1. But, that's just fine, because fine dining isn't really the food I'm looking for. I'm looking for rustic, authentic food, regardless of whether it is "dressed up" or "down".
    • Alcohol - Sadly, alcohol is probably lowest on my list. I know, I know, what kind of Advocate am I?! But, seriously, it just is. I can get imports, but I can't import the food/sights. So, while I'll certainly make every attempt in Bielefeld to try lots of beer, and while in other cities make every attempt to have drinks with meals or have a beer before heading back to a hotel, or enjoying a bierhaus because the opportunity presents itself, I just mean to say that I'm not specifically structuring my trip around alcohol. I don't want it to be the focus, and in the grand scheme of things, it's lowest on my list of things to do, no matter how cool.
    • I'm not sure how to gauge this one, but a slight motivation is also "getting experience for what this will be like when we come back as a family". We have a 3-year old (just turned), and we have discussed the possibility of them flying in after my conference and us doing a vacation. BUT, she's not really at the age where it seems like spending a week in Paris, or something in Germany, or really anywhere but (MAYBE) the Mediterranean would be a good idea, because you need the vacation to be kid-oriented at this age. But, that's only one component. I'd like to understand what it will be like if we did go to Paris - what is getting around going to feel like? When we went to Puerto Vallarta in 2018 (my first and international trip until a few this year, starting this month), it wasn't that difficult, but we had a car. Yea, maybe we'll get a car if we spend a week in Paris, but I'd still like to see how getting around is like. And, how much does the average parisian restaurant communicate in English? And so on. I know I only used Paris here, but it's just an example. The same would be true for any of the cities. I know that Amsterdam and many German Cities are more English-Heavy, but I really want to be able to bring back some "Recon Notes".
    @rodndtube I Addressed some of your comments above, but otherwise:
    • Your plan with the word document is pretty much spot on for what my plan was. Only, I intended to make large-ish laminated cards to hand to waiters/waitresses for each relevant language. Many years ago, I had the opportunity (which I turned down), to spend 4-5 months in China. This was going to be my plan all along, and you have just cemented this as the right plan.
    • I was told that in Bielefeld that the language at Universität is English, and that I wouldn't have any difficulty communicating in/around Bielefeld. Just thinking about otherwise. Again, mostly thinking about travel. Thinking about getting to a train station and basically being like, "Well, Fuck".
    • Your idea about TripAdvisor would be a good idea. Thanks for the recommendation!
    • Cellular: I am fortunate that this will be covered by my work, but it looks like it's only $100 for Unlimited Data, 250 Minutes of Talk, and Unlimited Texts. Mostly, I'll be talking to my wife/daughter using Facetime from Wifi or texting, so the 250 minutes should be fine. I'm more concerned about the Data. It says only 20-gigs, then you get bumped down to 3G. I'm a little concerned I could go over this while traveling. I'm not sure if I can even get anything to load in 3G - I can't seem to hardly get anything to load on my phone now adays if I hit 4G or LTE or something. I'll need to be pretty conscientious.
     
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  6. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    A couple of quick comments (maybe with extreme emphasis):
    - France is more French-centric than Germany is with German
    - Paris and Zurich are a lot more expensive than Bavarian cities and towns; the Nordic countries are twice as expensive as Paris and Zurich
    - We have had a generally very good time "communicating" at many biergarten/beer pub tables in Germany, in Munich and the likely beer target towns of Regensburg, Kelheim, Freising, Bamberg, Nuremberg, Aying...
    - A lot of WW2 history in Munich and Nuremberg
    - Munich facilitates lots of walking about the city, especially combined with the city transit system. You can make a full morning of it, return to your hotel for a nap, them go back out again. One can also make a series of day trips to destinations like Freising, Regensburg, Aying. Even Nuremberg or Bamberg can be done on a day trip although you might want the more expensive high speed ICE train for that.
    - Budapest, Hungary and nearby cities have more English menus than in Munich and Bavaria which are more common than in Paris and France (unless you go to tourist-oriented fooderies). When confronted with a foreign language menu I usually order a beer and observe what people around us are eating, and then ask the table to show me where on the menu the item of interest is. This has worked out very well not to mention that somebody at the table will usually know a little English. Not meaning to give a wrong impression as we had a very good visit to France about 20 years and 5 years ago. My understanding now is that one can take a photo using Google Translate and the menu page will be translated (lol, but that might be a challenge with some of the many Bavarian dialects!).
     
  7. mvogt

    mvogt Pundit (759) Sep 10, 2021 Massachusetts

    Immersing yourself in the atmosphere of a place is great. I love your plan for Recon Notes! When I go to Munich/Bavaria I am also going to be doing "kid recon" but my kid is 16 so it's a bit different! :slight_smile:
     
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  8. BeerAndGasMasks

    BeerAndGasMasks Grand Pooh-Bah (5,208) Apr 22, 2012 Virginia
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    Personally, I would keep it simple. Bielefeld is in Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen. Keep it simple by staying in Germany. Frankfurt to me is an easy choice to fly into. From there, you can go to the attached train station and work your itinerary to get somewhere to visit and then to Bielefeld. Arriving early, you could do things like take a tour boat up the Rhein river from Mainz to Koblenz to see the castles; go to Heidelberg, another University town with a castle and lovely walking area (and two student pubs from the old days - zum Roten Ochsen (the Red Ox Saloon, my dad called it) and zum Seppl, pretty much closed; another nice visit is Rothenburg, a famous walled city. All are accessible from Frankfurt via train relatively easily. Cities easily visited on the way to or from Bielefeld include Aachen and Köln, both with nice catherals, Köln also has Kölsch bier bars and Dusseldorf has altbier amongst the sights. Departing, you could ride the rails to Berlin, look at the sights in the formerly divided city and fly home from there.
     
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  9. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    This is now the second time someone has mentioned flying out from a different city than I enter, soooooo a question to those and others:

    Isn’t this a bit more expensive? Whenever I check one-way tickets, sure seems like it will be a premium to do 2. I know that isn’t always the case - I’ve seen times I could save a couple hundred bucks. But, I do worry that this will actually add to my chaos, since I’ll be exploring 2 airports and not one. :stuck_out_tongue:.

    I will say that I am not too intimidated by not speaking the language. It makes my wife really nervous, and I understand that it can be challenging. But, I don’t ever plan to put myself in a situation where It’s going to be a real problem (omg, I am running out of time! If only I read/spoke German!).
     
  10. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    We do this all the time. Last year we flew into Prague and home from Frankfurt. You don't want to book it as two one way trips, but as a multi-city ticket. Both Google Flights and Kayak have this option. Others probably do too.

    As far as language goes, we've had very little trouble with it. Most people in the hospitality business do speak English. Make a little effort to learn how to greet people and say please and thank you in the language and that will go a long way.
     
  11. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    The train network is generally very good. I rarely fly within continental Europe. So you could easily fly to Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam or even London and do the rest of the journey by train. In your shoes I would find the best flights and work the rest of the trip around that.

    You will not have language problems. All Germans learn English at school for several years (obviously some pay more attention than others). Hospitality staff often speak three or four languages reasonably well and there is often an English version of the menu in touristy places.

    Unless you are desperate to see Zurich I wouldn't bother with it on this trip. You’d be travelling almost all the way across Germany to get to Bielefeld. If you flew into Paris you could spend time there, how about a day in Brussels or Cologne on the way from Paris to Bielefeld?

    From Bielefeld you could easily visit Münster (home of Pinkus Müller) (~1 hour 20 mins), Düsseldorf (2 hours) or even Bremen (~2 hours 15), just to give a few examples.
     
  12. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    Simplicity is Munich (assuming you can obtain an affordable flight from Ohio). United/Lufthansa should easily get you to Munich and you could fly back from Dusseldorf. The key is adjusting to jet lag and Munich makes that easier than Frankfurt and many other airports. Try to avoid connections through London and Paris to avoid delays, harried processing, luggage transfer issues. Easy access to downtown Munich from the airport. Rest up in one place, plenty of walking around and using local Munich transit for a few days. Easy to take day trips beginning on day #3 or #4. Cathedrals, plazas, bierhalls, biergartens, parks, history. Nearby automobile museum. Great prep experience into international travel. I'd think of spending 5 days in Munich to acclimate. Then venture further along a route to your university destination, refreshed and ready for the conference. Return home from Dusseldorf or Berlin.
     
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  13. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Spontaneous feedback: the itinerary is super aggressive, I'm sure you want to see as much as possible but you will spend 2 days in trains and train stations. For simplicity's sake I'd fly into Frankfurt or Berlin. If you have the option to fly direct to Koeln or Duesseldorf, that could be an option too. Train system is easy to traverse and is clean and affordable.

    It's been mentioned above but in a nutshell, Zurich is not a great idea for a lot of reasons. Paris in the middle of summer will be a zoo and very expensive.

    Obviously most here are Teutonophiles, but with such a short time frame, it simply makes sense to stay within Germany and see things that are German beer and non-beer things that might interest you in your 7 day trip.
     
  14. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Lots of great feedback, and lots that I need to respond to. Just got off a flight to New Orleans for work, so writing this as I try to grab a bite to eat.

    So, a couple things I am considering:
    1. I usually stay away from Kayak, Expedia, etc. historically, I have had bad luck when needing to cancel, change flights, refunds, etc. but, if everyone seems to have lots of good experiences, maybe I will have to reconsider.

    2. I normally fly Delta, because I have had fewer problems with them (and points never expire). They have flights with (generally speaking, 2 layovers) “direct” to all the cities i mentioned. The Airbus’s only fly from Detroit and go through Amsterdam; the Boeing 767s will go through JFK (almost always), and usually (always?) go through Charles DG in Paris. I’ve read the Airbus are a lot nicer, but perhaps not necessarily worth the extra hassle of choosing routes based on that.

    3. I am price sensitive…kind of. It’s complicated - read on! Normally when I look at Delta flights, there are 2-3 that are significantly cheaper, a group in the middle, and a group that make me say, “who the fuck is paying these prices?!” But, usually the most desirable flights are in the exorbitant group. So, I get it. Anyway, I have some discretion as to what I pursue. I don’t hVe any hard rules of “only X dollars” or “Only X cabin”. But, it all has to be reasonable. All this said, I am a maximized pure and simple. Prices rise rapidly, so if I can find a flight I like, I intend to purchase the flight/seat with refund as an option ASAP, and then if I need to cancel (see below) I can. I am willing to get up very early (my Uber picked me up at 0320 this morning) to make things work. The things that are the hardest for me to overcome are very long layovers and simply being priced out.

    4. I have to have a fully refundable option. Unfortunately, I do not believe that I will hear back whether I am able to attend until early to mid-June. At that point, prices will have already skyrocketed, so I can’t wait to book, but that also means I can’t book without an exit strategy.

    5. I weight ticket cost with luggage to find the right mix. Twice this year I have taken an upgraded seat because the price was negated by getting 2 70lb bags checked for free. And, I needed that (for work). This is a slightly different scenario, but I’m trying to get the point across that if it makes financial sense to do an upgrade, I will, and I’m not specifically bound by cabin type.

    6. My father is 100% German, and my mother is ~ 50%+. We have a very German name. I’m a huge history buff with a lot of WWI/II coursework under my belt (at one point I thought I might get an PhD in history) and I love Bavarian beer. There’s certainly a lot to love with staying in Germany. Slowly but surely, you all may be convincing me of that, or something very close to that. Also, it sounds like I should probably just cut Zurich out.

    More Later. Thanks for all the great feedback so far.
     
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  15. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    OP: 1. I usually stay away from Kayak, Expedia, etc. historically, I have had bad luck when needing to cancel, change flights, refunds, etc. but, if everyone seems to have lots of good experiences, maybe I will have to reconsider.

    Decades ago using Kayak, Expedia, etc., made a lot of sense. For the most part I might use them for research purposes but book directly (plane, train, hotel...). But Google Flights, Google Map hotels, TripAdvisor, Train61 and DB are my main research and discovery tools.

    OP: 2. <snip> The Airbus’s only fly from Detroit and go through Amsterdam; the Boeing 767s will go through JFK... <snip> Charles DG in Paris <snip>

    Airbus 330 and 340 are my go-to aircraft if I have a choice, especially the A340-600 series, especially if flying with my wife because of the 2-seaters along the windows and aisles. Flying solo isn't as big a deal although I increasingly book an aisle seat. Some window seats I simply stay away from because of the curvature along the windows crowds me too much.

    CDG can be a bear of an airport. It and both the London airports I try to avoid because of the distance between terminals, excessive check points, delays, luggage issues and crowds.

    OP: 4. I have to have a fully refundable option.

    Upscaling seat options is usually the only way to obtain a fully refundable option. That also locks one in to an airline likely to be flown again within a year.

    OP: 5. I weight ticket cost with luggage ... 2 70lb bags checked for free

    See above comment.

    OP: 6. I’m a huge history buff with a lot of WWI/II coursework under my belt (at one point I thought I might get an PhD in history) and I love Bavarian beer. <snip> I should probably just cut Zurich out.

    The Nuremberg Documentation Center & Parade Grounds is iimpressive. We've also been to the Nuremberg Trials building on the west side of town (and not far from the Schanzenbräu Schankwirtschaft brewpub and keller).

    re: Zurich, Paris, etc... you are following a good path: think expansive and shrink to size and practical. Plenty of years to get it all done!
     
  16. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Food for thought...if you can easily into Amsterdam, do that. Less than 3 hours by train to Koeln from there.

    Regarding prices - what are you expecting to pay for round trip in the middle of European summer?
     
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  17. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    If price sensitive, definitely cut Zurich out. Switzerland is extremely expensive in general.
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I've been to Berlin, but never flown from there. Friends came back from Berlin in December. They connected in Amsterdam, as there were no direct flights.

    Munich is good if you're staying there or leaving from there. The main train station is an hour from the airport, which has a high fare.

    I've flown on Delta's Airbus 330s Detroit - Frankfurt. Delta uses Boeing 767s Detroit to Munich. Why, Frankfurt has higher traffic so it gets the larger plane.

    Bleifeld is in Northern Germany. I don't know how well connected it is with highspeed rail lines. Regional lines are fine, but slower, and also cheaper.
     
  19. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    From the Munich airport to the HBF you ride the S1 or S8 metro line or take the Lufthansa Express bus which leaves every 20 minutes. The metro/subway/lite rail costs 13 euros, the bus is 11.50 euros. But, you really want to buy the daily outer ring metro transit ticket which will be good from the airport and anywhere within the 5 metro rings all day unlimited rides. There are kiosk ATM-like machines right at the airport. Seems cheaper to me but that is because we are always buying a group ticket for 4.

    The Munich transit system, MVV, has multiday ticket deals and is a very good deal if riding transit from one's hotel to the Hbf to say Aying or Erding for the day. Or staying in the inner ring the transit ticket is a very good deal... riding the U, the S, trams, buses, etc.
     
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  20. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Love the extra feedback. Long day, so still not caught up on responses, but I do have one thing to add that I forgot to mention previously:

    While I am price sensitive to a degree, I plan to use reward nights at hotels for all stays outside Bielefeld. My lodging will be covered there, but not elsewhere, and this is certainly one reason I have been saving hotel points. Perfect occasion. So, the relative cost anywhere is largely irrelevant from a lodging standpoint, and I’m sure food won’t be so crazy as to be relevant for just a short time period (5 days?). Train fairs etc. I am already expecting to spend, and I can’t get around that, bur also assume they can’t vary so wildly from city to city to be meaningful in terms of consideration as to whether or not to visit.
     
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