Summerfest Lookout Thread (2023)

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  1. jaxon53

    jaxon53 Pooh-Bah (2,235) Mar 1, 2006 Connecticut
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    It's here in Plainfield Connecticut!
     
  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yeah, kind of a weird one, really being "summer" only in name.
     
  3. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    And I got approximately 50 gazillion local hits. There's no way that is accurate. Summerfest is even shown as out of season in the drop down filter.
     
  4. Mikeloveshamms

    Mikeloveshamms Aspirant (275) May 9, 2021 Ohio

    Bought a 6 pack just outside Columbus Ohio today. Tasted magnificent to me! I think I paid $10.99 for a six pack of cans and I plan on buying as many as I can until supply runs out.
     
  5. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    It was mid-80s today in Boston!

    But seriously, Sierra Nevada has openly said their releases are quarterly, not seasonal.

    Summerfest is April, May, June. Oktoberfest is July, August, September. Celebration is October, November…well you get the point.

    And given how they’re locked into a certain time frame due to the hop harvest for Celebration, this makes sense. I believe that’s their best selling seasonal too. Also makes sense they’d cater to that beer.
     
  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Coldest spring ever in California! It’s a chilly 55 in South Ca! Good thing it usually stays around for summer when it’s my go to. I’ll glad my drink it now but I’ll probably stick to my pizza port for another month.
     
  7. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    @GetMeAnIPA It's pretty crazy. I think it's gotten above 70 degrees one day this year now in mid April in the SF Bay Area. I'm still drinking lagers!
     
  8. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    isn’t the Bay Area always cold? I don’t go to the city often as I am from South Cal but it’s always overcast and cool when I’ve been. I’ve been drinking lagers still too. I love me dunkels and Swarchzbiers, as well as pilsners. But something about summerfest specifically and warm weather. All the nostalgia from visiting fam in Chico drinking summerfest by the 12ers in the blazing heat.
     
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  9. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    South Bay (think San Jose or Santa Clara) is warmer than SF itself. Chico is another thing entirely, especially during summer. That certainly is prime pilsner and hefe-weisse weather.
     
  10. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    It was low 80's the past few days here in NE Ohio as well - which is not "normal" for mid-April - there is snow in the forecast here next week!

    Don't call a beer "Summerfest" if you are going to release it in early spring.....pretty silly
     
  11. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    Yes, totally serious - I drink lagers throughout the year as well - just don't release a "summer seasonal" in early spring and call it "Summerfest" - not everyone in the US lives in CA....some of us have actual seasons.
     
  12. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Logistically that wouldn't work for them. They'll need to start using that space for Oktoberfest, and subsequently Celebration Ale, which as I said above is at the mercy of the hop harvest.

    More importantly for breweries, it's stiff competition out there. Sam Adams Summer Ale was released last month (has been for a number of years now, at least as far back as I can remember).

    Summer beers are coming out already, they're not going to wait until June. I completely understand what you're saying, but that's the way of the beer business.
     
  13. CentralPABeerDude

    CentralPABeerDude Zealot (506) Sep 1, 2022 Pennsylvania
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    I love the way SN does their seasonal beer releases. It gets me in the mood for the upcoming season.

    Especially love getting to enjoy Celebration when it starts to get cool here in PA.
     
  14. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Regarding seasonal creep...etc., here's a long, but informative, post from @BillManley from a few years back...

    You have to take in to consideration how commercial breweries (especially larger commercial breweries) operate.
    Brewers build forecasts. Those forecasts are an estimate of how much of any one beer is going to be brewed at any given time. Forecasting is a tricky thing, and is part science and part art. Analysts look at previous year's sales, that year versus the year prior, when the beer will ship, if there are any sales mandates (say, Buffalo Wild Wings wants to run a $2 special on beer X for two months) and also any new markets. By looking at reams of data they then make a call to say: We are going to sell X amount of this beer within the given timeframe.
    From that number prediction, brewers will then purchase materials (brewing ingredients, bottles, cans, labels, cartons...etc.) Often, the forecasts are made months (sometimes 6 months) before the beer will be released.
    From the minute beer X is brewed, packaged, and begins shipping, sales analysts are watching shipments (beer going to distributors) Depletions (beer leaving distributors going out to accounts) and estimating a daily/weekly/monthly rate of sale.
    I mentioned above, forecasts are made months early. If at the last minute, a big account...say, Publix in Florida wants to run an ad selling 12-packs for $10.99... that estimate rate of sale may as much as triple in that market for that period of time.
    For example: a spring seasonal lager is planned for April-june (12 weeks) and our analysts forecast estimates we'll sell 10,000Bbls. (13,700 cases) Watching shipments, we see that we've shipped 6,000Bbls 4 weeks into the 12 week campaign. What do we do? We can: A.) Brew more. B.) stop selling beer and run out at retail. C.)Move up the next seasonal and have that one a little longer.
    Brewers try not too keep too much excess brewing material on-hand at any given time. By materials I don't mean recipe ingredients...typically those are easy-ish to get (unless there is something very scarce like a unique hop or something.) Usually the limiting factor is packaging materials. Cans take 12-weeks to produce. Can we get more if we need them? Chip board right now is very tight. Vendors don't keep a lot on hand. If you don't have a chip board order in place early, you might be out-of-luck)
    Simply not making more is also problematic, especially when it comes to grocery. Grocery operates on such a slim margin, that they have to monetize as much of the store as possible. If grocery runs out of a SKU for too long, they simply replace it. There's no holding it for you, until you're ready. Again, not a good option.
    Moving up a seasonal. In any campaign, there is a point of "go or no-go" That balance point where the brewer decides whether it makes sense to add volume (if possible) cut volume (if necessary) or adjust shipping schedules for future releases. If a lager has, say, a 21-28 day brew, that time will be earlier, than a simple ale with a 10-14 day turn. At some point, it makes more sense, to move the brewing of the new one up to account for the gap in production.
    Using the example above: My spring lager is supposed to go: April 1-June 30 Which means it brews in February, for shipping the second week in March for placement at retail by April 1. The next seasonal supposed to be out on July 1. Which means the scheduled brewing would begin early May for shipping on June 15th. About halfway through the previous campaign. If the rate of sale and shipments are trending higher than average at or around that halfway point, there is some wiggle room to adjust a brew by a few weeks up-or-down to accommodate for the market dynamics.
    Ultimately, the brewing schedules have to be fluid enough to adjust if necessary, and rigid enough to create buffers at the begging and end of each campaign and be ready at any time to schedule a brew. At Sierra, weekly brew and pack schedules adjusted up to 8 times in any given week. At Surly, we average 4 adjustments per week. Head brewers gets all the glory, but usually, it's production planners and/or analysts who REALLY keep breweries up-and-running.
     
  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I checked Liquor Shed, which was a hit. Nope. :slight_frown:
     
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  16. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    Thanks for the climate update! California is a pretty big state, but the area I live in has 3 seasons. If we want snow we drive a few hours to the beautiful, unimaginably tall by Ohio standards Sierra Nevadas.

    Talking about Sierra Nevada, hopefully they will take note of this threat and release Springfest Pilsner in April 2024. :beers:
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In the recent past they made a Pilsner that I enjoyed drinking:

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    Unfortunately this brand was discontinued.

    There always seems to be a fair bit of discussion in various BA threads of love for the Pilsner beer style. Maybe the craft beer consumer market has 'evolved' to permit this beer to return?

    Even better, maybe Sierra Nevada will produce a Classic American Pilsner for 2024!?! :beers:

    Cheers!

    @SierraTerence
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, I hope they don't cave to threats. :smile:
     
  19. fritzfield

    fritzfield Crusader (419) Nov 7, 2008 New Hampshire

    Trader Joe's has 6 pack cans for $9.99
     
  20. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    It seems like the SN beer finder might be all messed up. @SierraTerence
    @steveh and @Bitterbill - I think this is why the stores you went to didn't have it despite you using their beer finder. (I had the same experience.)
    In my case, when I select ANY beer using their finder (Porter for example), I get a hit for every single shop that carries SN in the area. When I select "bars and restaurants" only, I still get a hit for every single shop. I am reasonably confident that all of the 7 Elevens around me aren't bars that carry SN Porter. (I can say from experience that they do stock SNPA. :slight_smile:) This could be a case of user error, but it seems to be a bigger issue.

    @deanzaZZR 's link quoted above is much more discriminating.

    @AlcahueteJ - Nope, no longer an hourglass icon. The current icon is a circle with a slash through it (that can't be selected).
     
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