Do best before dates matter with higher alcohol beers?

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  1. matave

    matave Initiate (126) Jun 12, 2015 Australia

    Hello,

    I recently picked up a few bottles of Zyweiec Baltic Porter online. When received I noticed there were no best before dates on the bottles, only a batch ID.

    Just wondering if a best before date matters in regard to a beer with such a high alcohol content? I've had imperial stouts before at 10% and some of those best before dates were 8-10 years away. Should I be worried?

    Thanks in advance....
     
  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    People generally consider dark beers with high alcohol to be less susceptible to the effects of aging, but they will still change with age. So best by dates “matter” in terms of providing the consumer some info regarding the window in which the brewer thinks the beers are still acceptable.

    Keep in mind that best by dates also involve a degree of fiction. In some cases brewers come up with a window without any actual insight on how the beer ages. In other cases brewers might state different date ranges for different markets depending on market or transportation realities. A beer also won’t “fall off a cliff” when it hits that specific date.

    You ask if you should be worried. Worried for what? If you are worried that this porter will make you sick because it is expired, then I wouldn’t worry about that. If you are worried that you won’t like it and that you wasted your money, then I wouldn’t worry about that if you can’t return the beers for a refund. Just try them and see if you like them.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    All beers begin changing as soon as they are packaged, and sometimes it's for the better because 'green' beers that occasionally get released too early need a couple weeks to reach best flavor. However, age is mostly a critical concern for hoppy beers, so I wouldn't worry about your Baltic Porter.
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    What would you have done if there was a "Best before" date that was close* or had already passed?

    Pretty common situation for the import shelves where I shop and * IIRC Zywiec is one of those Euro imports which, for the US market, gives their beers a 1½ year shelf life period so even when I see them with, say, 4 months to go, for example, there ain't no way I consider that "Fresh". (I know I'm often ripping a small hole in the heavy plastic shrink wrap to view the base of the cans and seldom buy them but I'm not sure of the 1½ year period).
     
  6. seakayak

    seakayak Pooh-Bah (1,823) May 20, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Ballast Point Victory at Sea - Coffee and Vanilla, a 10% imperial porter, was one of my favorites 10 years ago - until I got two 6-packs in a row that were straight soy sauce. Haven't had one since.

    I was told here on BA that they were just really old, but I've often wondered why they went bad when other high-ABV beers are stable for years. :beers:
     
  7. Barettes

    Barettes Zealot (583) Aug 4, 2019 Washington

    I consumed a bottle of Stone Xocoveza that was 8 months past its best by date. It still tasted really good but flavors were definitely more subdued than that beer tastes when fresh. 8.1%
     
  8. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    When it comes to safe consumption, I wouldn't worry about it. Harmful bacteria can't survive in alcoholic beverages, no matter if they got a high or low alcohol content.

    However, age is going to affect the flavor of a beer significantly. Unfortunately, best-by dates are not a good indicator of how fresh a beer really is, because breweries can set them to whatever they want and they will often be too long.

    Sure, a New England England IPA might still be drinkable 6 months after packaging, but it will taste nowhere near as good as when fresh at a few weeks old as hop flavor is very fleeting, especially when not stored cold.

    Generally lighter, hop-forward beers should be consumed as fresh as possible, while darker, malt-forward or sour beers stand up to aging better. Some might even argue that these are improved by age, but this is a pretty divisive topic. In my opinion, even a 12% Imperial Stout is not going to be at its best 5 years after packaging.
     
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  9. matave

    matave Initiate (126) Jun 12, 2015 Australia

    Thank you for all the replies. I appreciate the feedback.

    I tried one last night and it was good, smooth, but I think the alcohol may have diminished a little. Still easily detectable though. It may have been a bit too cold at first but as it warmed the flavour opened up. It's been that long since I've had this beer however that it is hard recollect the previous taste.

    My primary concern was that I might have wasted my money as the are not cheap where I am and then there was the hassle or returning the purchase as it was an online order. The batch ID had me a little concerned though - L2235616B2016 - the last four digits to my mind indicating the year of production.

    Again, thanks for the info.
     
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  10. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    Buy 2.

    Drink one ASAP and then age one if you want.

    People swear that "cellaring" changes it, and it does , but RARELY for the better.
    Those who usually say it are lying .
    (Sours and all that green bottle , basket beer, overpriced in the US stuff excluded cuz those beers are made to be awful:wink:) :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I do not have a decoder ring for the Zywiec code but the last four digits is not the year of production. I recently purchased two bottles of Zywiec Baltic Porter at my local Retail Beer Distributor (for a total of 5 bucks) and the code on the bottles is L2235616B2044.

    My guess is this beer was bottled the 356th day of 2022. If this guess is correct your bottles and my bottles are from the same day/batch.

    Cheers!

    P.S. It has been my consistent experience that Zywiec Baltic Porter is a very resilient beer. A combination of both the high(er) ABV and dark malts I reckon.
     
  12. Jaycase

    Jaycase Grand Pooh-Bah (3,858) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    I'm thinking based on some reviews listing a date code for this brewery, like this one and this one, that it might be LYDDD. Not a huge difference anyway between 23 Aug and 22 Dec dates, assuming it is accurate.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is a reasonable guess as well I suppose.

    Wouldn't it be nice if the brewery would just list: "Bottled on December 22, 2022"? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Cheers!
     
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  14. ZebulonXZogg

    ZebulonXZogg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,142) May 5, 2015 Illinois
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    ALL beers deteriorate after a certain time. I've become a "drink fresh" advocate.
     
  15. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    I more worry about hop content than alcohol content. As in, less hoppy beers will age better (or not deteriorate) compared to a nice, fresh IPA.
     
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  16. Taylor_Maierhofer1996

    Taylor_Maierhofer1996 Savant (1,068) Jun 30, 2021 Illinois
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    No matter the beer I always check the “canned on” or “best by” date on the can or bottle. And if it does not have it on the box the beers are in, can, or bottle I pass. I have bought way too many beers that are in a box that had no date written on the box got it home and they are over a year old and they all taste like shit. Beer is not getting any cheaper either.
     
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  17. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Dates matter even when you are aging beer. That way you can figure out a beer's "sweet spot" -- a.k.a. an age that appeals to you (it's all about personal taste}.

    I generally do not age single bottles. Rather I get a four pack (usually) and set a baseline by drinking and reviewing a fresh bottle. I then take note of the age of the other three beers as I taste them over time. All of this requires a decipherable "bottled on" date so I can compare and contrast with some degree of accuracy.
     
  18. crazyspicychef

    crazyspicychef Pooh-Bah (2,341) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Not to me they don't.
     
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  19. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    Try to explain that one to some. Beer is best consumed fresh, period. Chimay Grande réserve or any Porter/Stouts. I once merely pointed out that “cellaring/aging” beer was pointless and a waste of space and got called out a “troll”.

    Some get overly defensive with the idea that certain beers age like a fine Saint Emilion.
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Even past dates on hoppy beers?! :astonished:
     
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