Visiting - Need Help!

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  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Since you are going to be in Cologne, check my post in another thread for things to do in town. Also let me know if you're interested in meeting up for a beer or two while you're here :slight_smile:.
     
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  2. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    If the trip is truly Munich -> Nuernberg->Bielefeld->Koeln/Duesseldorf->Berlin I would really avoid the hassle of driving and use the train system. It's so easy, especially travelling alone.

    Just checked online...Muenchen -> Nuernberg main train stations on the ICE for just EURO 14.90 and it's takes a little over an hour. Add the connection ticket (if needed) for just EURO 7. Unbeatable.

    There is a EURO 44 day ticket available which means you can use it all day (Monday to Friday from 9 am until 3 am on the following day) on all trains for just EURO 44. Might be a good idea when going to Koeln.

    But if you do decide to use a car rental, you'll need to check on insurance. Buying directly at "the counter" is pricey, so figure it out beforehand (credit card coverage? online coverage?)
     
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  3. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Thanks for asking this - I can tell I need some great clarification!

    So, the plan is really munich --> Bielefeld --> Berlin. But, while in Bielefeld, I could take day-trips to Cologne and Dusseldorf. And, because it is en route, I thought it might be worth leaving Munich a day early, and staying a night in Nuremberg, even though there is some time lost associated with having to get into a new hotel, etc.

    Also, the plan for the rental is mostly associated with staying in Bielefeld rather than for the entire trip. I love to drive and see everything, and I can see myself taking small drives everyday to go explore, and also to use the vehicle to then drive to Cologne and Dusseldorf instead of taking the train, since I'd have the car during that time period.

    Finally, I plan to use the trains to go from Munich to Bielefeld, and from Bielefeld to Berlin. (And, also Nuremburg if I make that stop.)

    Thanks for the reminder on insurance. Technically I should be covered under the company policy (which I know is true in Canada, Mexico, and some Latin American countries, but I need to check with Germany. Drivers license wise, it looks like I am covered. )
     
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  4. JHDStein

    JHDStein Zealot (579) Aug 16, 2013 Germany

    Looks like a great trip! I'm sure you will have a great time.

    Some things to think about with respect to driving in Germany:

    1. Gas is at least twice as expensive as you are probably used to. The gas cost of any intercity trip is usually equal to (if not more...) than the rail cost.

    2. Parking is a real pain, and normally quite expensive in larger cities. Plus, finding a spot near the spots you want to visit can be extremely difficult.

    3. The DWI laws are no joke. If you are daytripping to Cologne from Bielefeld with a car (for example), you might want to forget grabbing more than 1 Kölsch.

    4. Insurance-wise, if you have had literally anything to drink (below the legal level or not), often your insurance will not cover any damage that might occur. So you might be theoretically insured, but not practically. Keep in mind that you have a legal requirement to contact the police if there is an accident, so they can make a report. If they smell alcohol... forget your insurance.

    YMMV, but if you plan on doing any drinking on your day trips, you might consider just using the train. Just my 2 cents.
     
  5. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I really appreciate this. Not just for me, but for society. Although I am certainly a BA, and obviously a BE (beer enthusiast :wink: ), I am very careful. That said, my very careful means I probably still have a little bit of alcohol in my system, rather than 0. So, this may very well change my calculus.

    My thoughts with visiting cologne and Düsseldorf is to see parts of the city, not just have a brew. That said, yea, you know, I’d love to have something to drink with my meal.

    Also, I really appreciate your thoughts on parking. I’m not sure what I expected, but I guess I assumed that there would be someplace to park in a larger city for maybe 20 Euros, and maybe in a smaller city for 10 (for a full day). But, if it’s going to be more like 45 or more, then I am certainly starting to get priced out pretty hard core.

    The other motivation to have a vehicle was to be able to go hike, or go to a different down for dinner, and so on. Again, the idea that 0 alcohol is allowed is important, and may change my decision.

    It sounds like I need to do a bit more searching, reading. One of my concerns was whether I’d get stuck, miss a train, and unable to get back.

    Love this community.
     
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  6. JHDStein

    JHDStein Zealot (579) Aug 16, 2013 Germany

    Happy to help!

    For parking, you can probably manage with €20-25 for a day spot in larger cities. I'm sure I've parked in downtown Cologne for around that. It's doable.

    Getting stuck by the train system isn't too worrisome between larger cities, unless you are staying late into the night. From Düsseldorf to Bielefeld, for instance, the trains run every 30 minutes until 22:30ish, and then there is still a 23:30 train as a last resort.

    I wouldn't say that 0 alcohol is allowed. It is just that the acceptable BAC level is quite low and alcohol massively complicates any insurance issues. An alcohol-related accident on your company insurance would probably irritate your employer as well.

    At the end, you might want to take all of this with a grain of salt: I have a risk-averse personality and I tend to fixate on the worst case scenario. Most likely, it would all work out just fine!:joy:
     
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  7. Lyke2Drink

    Lyke2Drink Crusader (485) Nov 2, 2009 North Carolina

    Congratulations. You will have a great time in Germany. My two cents from various trips...

    Bielefeld's location has me questioning flying in/out of either Munich (7 hrs. by train) or Berlin (4 hrs). The less time on trains and trying to catch the short transfer times in Germany, the better. It would appear that Frankfurt (3 hrs), Cologne (2 hrs) or even Amsterdam (3 hrs) would be easier to come and go from.

    I understand the allure of Munich. If it were my first trip, I'd probably have it on my "must" list. If so, I'd highly recommend your stop along the way to Bielefeld to be Bamberg. An amazing city with an incredible beer culture.

    As far as allergies go, I have some of the same issues. Almost all German wait staff speak English, so just mention it to your server. The menus usually call out issues. There are always options, except in some cases with desserts. (European bakers love nuts!)
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Just looked at my World Gasoline link, one US gallon of gas in Germany is $7.26, just about 2X of what it is here in Michgan today.
     
  9. Erzengel

    Erzengel Zealot (664) Sep 8, 2008 Germany
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    Just saw this thread today and want to add a few answers as well :slight_smile:

    As I live very close to Düsseldorf we could meet if you're doing a day-trip to this area.

    As you said you have a car, for WW2 history visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wewelsburg for some WW2 history. It's not far away from Bielefeld and not reachable by public transport. If you do a longer day-trip for history, visit west of Cologne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordensburg_Vogelsang
    and the above-mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_teeth_(fortification) are easily to find in the area. If you nee d advice or help let me know. Depending on the day you visit, I might even join you and help you finding the best spots :beers:

    The "must see" things in the Bielefeld-area are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermannsdenkmal and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externsteine - both reachable in less than 1h by car. And there are very nice old towns in the area like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamelin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Pyrmont and many others.

    And - driving a car in Germany is completely different from the US. Make sure you read the differences in traffic rules before you start driving. The towns - as often old - are very narrow. As are the streets. With a larger vehicle you'll have problems finding a parking lot if you're used to the US dimensions - You have to expect to park in places where you have only a road-side-parking that is probably less than 10in (30cm) larger than your car - so you'll have to practice this a bit before trying to find a spot in the larger cities. And - in Düsseldorf road-side parking costs 4,50€ per hour. If you take a garage, the cheaper ones charge 2€/h. Make sure to have always 10€ in coins with you to feed the parking-machines, but in many areas you can park by using an App - but this doesn't work in all cities and you need mobile data for this.

    Have a safe trip! :beers:
     
  10. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I’m sorry for the silence for all those that have contributed so much. I’ve had some personal items going on. (My wife has an ill eas that came up out of nowhere about 6 weeks ago following a very bad bout of COVID that we all got), and it’s been fairly life-altering. We’re still working on diagnosis. Rightly or wrongly, we have a better handle on things, and I have set up several support structures, and so I am STILL going on this trip.)

    My flight is booked. I fly into Munich early this Thursday (arrive 8am), stay there till Sunday. Head to Bielefeld. Stay there till the following Sunday. Head to Berlin, and stay there Sunday, Mon, Tues. Flight back around 10am Wed (I get home about 5:30pm same day).

    Have my hotels booked. Due to a special, I was able to get a pretty sweet deal in Berlin.

    Haven’t booked a rental still, because I am narrowing my dates. Although I think I’d quite enjoy driving between Munich, Bielefeld, and Berlin, I am quite sure I won’t want to drive in Munich or Berlin, and in Bielefeld, I’m also mostly sure that I won’t want a car everyday. So, probably going to get it for about 5 days.

    Planning a day trip to Frankfurt (and nearby Büdingen, where my wife was born), but no plans yet beyond that. I’ll probably drive for that. Also really hoping to take a day trip to Cologne/Düsseldorf.

    I originally planned (hoped?) to spend a day in Nuremberg on my way from Munich to Bielefeld, but not planning on it anymore. I think it will be too taxing to try to switch hotels again.

    As of now, planning to bring a carryon (my laptop bag), a “personal item” (a reusable tote that I fill with quick-access items for the plane, where I often stash my iPad, a jacket, sunglasses, etc.), and a large checked bag (which, if it fits, will actually have a medium checked bag inside). The goal is to have a second suitcase to go back with full of goodies for the family. I am bringing dress clothes for the conference, “normal clothes” for the 2 weeks I am there, my nice camera (probably just 1 lens, but maybe 2, no flash, and extra battery pack), headlamp, hiking boots, rain gear, and obligatory toiletry items. For sure, no way I could get that into a checked bag with the dress clothes, so if I am committing to a checked bag, I might as well have a plan to bring stuff back for wife and daughter (and surely something for myself). I’m planning to take an Uber from München airport to hotel, hotel to Bahnhof, and from Bahnhof to Hotel in Berlin (hotel in Bielefeld is across the street from Bahnhof, so that part is irrelevant). So, I’m not going to be “lugging the luggage around the city” by foot. Yea, it would be easier otherwise, but this is for sure going to work best. Yes, I recognize that I am fucked if my bag gets lost, but I am not changing airlines, and only one layover (either direction), so I feel good about my decision.

    Need to look back at where people are, and check a DM that I had, but I would be open to trying to meet up with fellow BAs while I am out there everywhere.

    Really appreciate everyone’s feedback.
     
  11. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Wanted to say especially thanks for your thoughtful comments, especially the note on the travel time. Yes, Munich isn’t an ideal location from the standpoint of the long travel between it and Bielefeld, nor is Berlin, but I am OK with making it work. Perfectly valid, and honestly I think I made a mistake when first thinking about this, because I didn’t realize Munich was so far away. I think I probably checked the travel time, and accidentally checked the drive and not the train time (5hr 30 vs 7hr 10). On the day I travel to Bielefeld. I was not planning on doing much before leaving, and I need to get there by 6-8pm. So, it isn’t so bad to me if I leave between 11-1 (by train or 1-3 if I get a rental). I need to be getting up about 6-7am everyday, so I should still hVe a solid half-day of adventure in me before I leave.

    The travel to Berlin is not quite so bad, and will actually follow a group excursion (hike) earlier in the day. So, wasn’t really planning anything after that anyway, and again should be timed about right. For some reason I kept thinking Berlin was 3 hours - again, must have accidentally looked at driving and not train time.
     
  12. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Another quick comment:

    Planning to get the phone carrier to add a month of intent National Unlimited on Monday. According to a recent TPG article, it’s $100 (vs doing a daily unlimited for $10), and will keep me from having to deal with trying to find wifi.

    Planning to call company vehicle insurance company to verify there are no issues on that front.
     
  13. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Also, one more question. Customs.

    OK, so I have researched this, but pretty clueless on exactly how much I can bring back, and whether I will have to pay any additional amount at customs. Say I bring back a couple steins, a piece of jewelry, a book, a wood carving, some candy, a couple toys, 3 beers, and some miscellaneous items. Any problems here? Anyone see an issue?

    Having a hard time also understanding getting a refund on the VAT. I am not sure if it is worth the effort. I’m not going to be spending like 10k, I’m talking about maybe $400 across everything above. I know what I have to save and produce to get the refund, but if I read everything correctly, once I return home I still have to contact EVERY store by postage mail to get a refund. Seems like a lot of work for what may amount to, like, $40 total. Am I being dense?
     
  14. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I've probably overstated this is past posts, but renting a car to drive Munich to Bielefeld in one shot (600km/400 miles) seems bonkers to me. There's no guarantee that you'll be there in 5 hours but the German train system is extremely reliable. Because it's German.
     
  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    On my first trip to Germany I drove a small, rented Opel, with a very slippy clutch, from Munich to Berlin in one shot.

    I don't remember how long it took, but it was right after the fall of the wall so it was interesting scenery.

    But yeah -- that's a drive to take the wind out of you. Plus it was trouble finding rooms in Berlin, so being exhausted wasn't helpful.
     
  16. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Our Tmobile phones worked better for us in Europe than in the US. Cost increases are minimal with thoughtful phone use.
     
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  17. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I probably mis-states this someplace, but I wasn’t suggesting renting a car just for that. I have no problem using the trains, and intend to do so for various reasons.

    A question regarding luggage on trains. How does this work - do they “check it” like an airline, or do you get on a car and there is a place for your luggage, or? …sorry, I just have no reference for what this is like. I am a prep-er, so I over prepare for this type of thing.
     
  18. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    There are no rules, but you just have to schlepp them and keep your eye on them. But no, no need to check them in. The English based DB (Deutsche Bahn) site is well done. There are a ton of options because you can connect through pretty much any city north of you (Frankfurt, Fulda, Mannheim, Hannover, etc) and changeovers are well thought out from the time allowance between trains. Most Germans are happy to help finding your way.
     
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  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The DB hasn't recovered from Covid according to people I know in Bavaria. Still better than Amtrak.
     
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  20. cu29

    cu29 Zealot (570) Sep 26, 2005 Wisconsin

    I have a couple of comments to add. Certainly too late for the original poster, but perhaps useful for anyone reading this at a later time.

    I have a T-Mobile plan in the US. I bought their 15 GB high speed international plan ($50.00) to use on a recent trip to Germany and overall it sucked! Slow loading sites, maps, etc. Not sure why. Frustrating as hell. Visited Regensburg, Bamberg, Forchheim, Hof, Kulmbach, and Freising. Not exactly the boonies, so I don't know what the problem was. I'll be complaining to T-Mobile about it.

    For train travel I bought the monthly 49,00 Deutschland ticket. Not valid on high-speed trains, but everything else is fair game, such as regional trains, busses, S-Bahn, and so on. All over Germany! Super convenient. It does require a monthly subscription, which can be cancelled at any time. I used the HVV switch app (Hamburg) for my purchase. I bought the subscription with Paypal, as did my two buddies. Other purchase attempts through a couple of other sources didn't work for us, such as through DeutscheBahn. Not sure why. The DB website has a FAQ section about the Deutschland ticket, as do other apps like my HVV switch app.

    We were only asked for ID one time out of many ticket checks.

    Cheers.
     
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