Cellar Reviews (2023)

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  1. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Afternoon Cellar Dwellers. Todays beer is a CCB Desponia, a “wheated bourbon barrel aged barleywine”. Not sure the exact age as no bottling dates, but this is from a 2022 version of the CCB El Catador club so safe to say it’s at least a year old which tends to be my criteria for this thread. First time with this one, and actually looks like no one has even reviewed this beer on BeerAdvocate yet, although a couple of no words ratings.

    Pours opaque black with one plus fingers width of dark khaki colored head. Decent retuning. Looks like a stout. Aroma is bursting with wonderful English barleywine aromas: huge dark fruits, caramel/toffee, molasses, cocoa, somewhat roasty. Bourbon notes are present but not particularly strong on the nose. Some balancing fusel ethanol. Really terrific nose. Taste is more barrel forward and more boozy. The dark fruits are there but not as prominent as the nose. There’s a metallic character that’s not huge but is noticeable and detracting from the other, better notes. There’s a moderate amount of bitterness and roasted malts. Some nutty characters and semi sweet cocoa. Fairly complex. If not for that metallic off note this would be absolutely killer, as is, it’s still more than quite good even with it. Mouthfeel is full side of medium bodied, the very high ABV is appreciable but not negative, drinkability is solid all things considered. Overall, this is one of the better El Cat beers I’ve had in the 3 years I’ve been a member. I’ve somewhat given up on the El Cat club, am in on the current season but didn’t renew after this. Seems like 75% of the beers are the same base beer overly thick stout and every other one has similar adjuncts (plus they overtly lied about guaranteed BA Hunas every season which never materialized), but this one is quite good. If they would have spent more of the series on alternatives to stouts I’d probably still be a member. Regardless, I have one more of these that I will let sit and age, I suspect this could age very well.

    4.25/4.75/4.25/4.25/4.25

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  2. Whyteboar

    Whyteboar Grand Pooh-Bah (4,286) Jun 7, 2008 Michigan
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    From 2019
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  3. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    2017 Fyodor from Stone. Brewed in July of 2016 and aged in Kentucky bourbon from 14 months. Comes in at 13.5% ABV. I have had several of these bottles over the past 9 years, but I don't think I've had a 6 year old bottle yet.

    Almost no sign of carbonation on the cork removal or in the glass. The nose is super smooth. Black licorice, roasted coffee, and slight oak.

    The taste is still super intense and wonderful. The black licorice and coffee is still there, but now there is a stronger bourbon presence, along with blackberries, currants, and burnt toffee. Some pipe tobacco comes through as well. Mouthfeel is thick and creamy. Phenomenal stout.

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  4. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    Drinking a Steel Toe Brewing Lunker Barleywine vintage 2016. I amended my review from 2013 if anyone cares to search. Started to get the stale flavors creeping in so it should of been drank a year or two earlier. It became such a mellow brew. Wood and earth with a slightly sweet finish. Still good.
     
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  5. zac16125

    zac16125 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,432) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Happy Wednesday, lovers of old beer! Popped open an old favorite from the great people @coast Brewing Company (true advocates of craft beer in every sense of the word, their unselfish advocacy to change the antiquated beer laws in the state of SC really opened up the entire state to a craft beer renaissance). 2013 Barrel Aged Blackbeerd, this years version aged in second use Blanton’s barrels. This is furthest out I’ve have a BA Blackbeerd, and I don’t expect much from the barrel at this point (and it wasn’t particularly strong even fresh due to the second use nature), but am curious to see how this has developed over a decade. So here goes.

    Pours an opaque black with a fairly large and dense khaki colored head with decent retention. Some nice spotty lacing throughout the drink. It looks no worse for wear. Aromatics explode from the glass with lovely dark fruits, earthy herbaceousness, cocoa, and prominent oaky notes. A bit of marshmallow, bourbon notes are essentially negligible other than the aforementioned oakiness. Taste is very roasty with prominent charred wood which is expected as they do use smoked malts in the base beer. Dark fruits are there but are more subtle than the aroma. There’s a prominent black coffee bitterness, with some unsweetened dark cocoa on the finish. I also get nutty characters. A subtle molasses works to provide a somewhat balancing sweetness, but make no mistake this is a bold, dark, roasty beer. Like the nose I get a decent amount of oak but not really a lot of bourbon notes, per se. However, it is stil impressively complex. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with an appropriate carbonation and good drinkability for a BA stout. Overall, a gem of a beer that has aged wonderfully over this 10 year period. Very pleased by this as I still have a 2010-2016 vertical in the cellar (of note: no BA version was bottled in 2014) and this gives me hope that all are drinking this well.

    4.5/4.75/4.5/4.25/4.5
    (origina/fresh review: 4.25/4.5/4.25/4.5/4.5)

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    Cheers virtual bar friends!
     
  6. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    2011 Adam From The Wood

    Please forgive the long, wordy paean this likely is to attain, but now, 2/3 of the way through this glass, it has become more than enjoyment of a remarkable beer, more than a testament to that quality age can give to our favorite beverage, and traveled a straight path to become exemplar of that peak which artists of all media seek to attain, myself included. How fitting to taste this now as I complete the novel I hope will be my finest achievement. Alan Sprint, you have surpassed the realm of sensual pleasure, and attained that realm of artistic expression where we seek to compare our lives to the Universe.


    A soft tssst accompanies the pop of cap, a few wisps of grey mist escape the mouth. What a welcome sign that is that is to see and hear after this bottle has lain dormant for so many years. It has not stirred from its resting place in all that time, in the chilly cellar my second ex-wife remarked was good for nothing but the aging of wine, and, as it later turned out, the aging of fine beer.

    I pour it and a thin ring forms. More than a few bubbles rise optimistically through the thick looking but incredibly beautiful reddish brown of the beer. It is hard to recall the look or smell of this when last tasted many years ago, but certainly it is murkier than I recall, with less carbonation. The aroma, however, has attained nirvana, that is, it is full of the strong flavors of caramel, toffee, honey bread, barrel notes, herbal bitter, walnut essence, deep grain notes, and strong alcohol spice, but they are presented in a softened form that is at once more approachable and easier to enjoy, yet just as strong and clean as once they were. I have trouble removing my nose from the glass.


    Recent tragic disappointments have left me wary of an aroma which hides the truth. The first sip proves the opposite of this the instant it meets tongue. No, here is the worthy main attraction to the side show which the aroma provided. Here is what was promised. Here is the realization of artistic motivation, that meeting of sensual pleasure and much deeper understandings. All those flavors of the nose now are in forms that suggest they have spent their times in bottle practicing to appear as well blended and completely at their finest presentations as existence allows. As it warms it morphs through various forms of itself- the soft notes of the sweeter toffee-esque elements become overpowered by a complex assortment of herbal notes and nuttiness and alcohol spice at times. Other changes provide varying starring roles. Amazing. Marvelous.. It is a carnival of flavors that beg to be chosen as finest of the mix, and none of them able to outdo the rest. What a treat, what an absolute explosion of delight this is to drink. It does not get too thick but is thick enough that the herbal bitter notes and nutty natures linger with hints of sweet that don’t foul, build, nor cloy. Just a bit of carbonation is the perfect amount to frame this baby in perfection. Mr. Sprint, thank you sir, I am certain to be far from the only one here who appreciates you in the way I do at this moment.


    I certainly hope there are a few of these to be enjoyed among my fellow BA’s. This was my last. I was blessed to be able to trade for as many as I did both years back then, and glad I was able to save this one at all, let alone for as long as this.

    Please forgive the length of this post, but it has been years since a beer hit me like this one is doing. Cheers, y’all.


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  7. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    Really love your "Tales from the Crypt" reviews as always @cavedave ! I never had the pleasure to try beers from this highly lauded brewery, but gratefully have a bottle of 2022 Matt generously provided by Dave @beergoot targeted for late Fall or Winter, unless Dave or others think I should cellar it 1-2 more years for best results.

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    Open question for everyone, I'm considering an order if they can legally ship to Chicago. Was thinking of ordering the double six pack, or maybe a few each of the most recent vintages.

    Are there particular vintages I should seek? Wonder if the pricing difference between vintages are based on current supply and / or current condition.

    https://hairofthedog.com/product-category/beers/

    All 12 oz single bottles unless noted

    Don
    • $50 Don 2022 16.9 oz
    • $35 Don 2023 16.9 oz
    Doggie Claws & Cherry Adam
    • $80 Doggie Claws 2004 Magnum 50.7 oz
    • $75 Vintage Double Six Packs (6 Cherry Adam & 6 Doggie Claws - assorted years)
    • $65 Doggie Claws 2005 Magnum 50.7 oz
    • $60 Doggie Claws 2002 Magnum 50.7 oz
    • $14 Cherry Adam 2021, 2020, 2019, 2017, 2015, 2014
    • $12 Cherry Adam 2018, 2016
    • $12 Doggie Claws 2010
    • $10 Doggie Claws 2008, 2005, 2002
    • $8 Doggie Claws 2020, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2009, 2007, 2006
    Fred from the Wood & Michael
    • $70 Michael 2009 Magnum 50.7 oz
    • $15 Fred from the Wood 2014, 2013
    All input appreciated. Cheers!
     
  8. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...it's a tough call now about what to do with your bottle of Matt 2022 and the very limited selection the have on hand...like @cavedave noted with his review of his HoTD beer, these beers do well (generally) with aging...I've had a couple of the Cherry Adam from the Wood that I thought were really good (the 2020 vintage got a 4.23 overall from me), yet Doggie Claws (other than a 2018 vintage - no longer available I see) were so-so...and then there's Don (I had a 2022 bottle at 3 Sheeps in May, but you were gone that morning) which, despite the cost, are two fantastic vintages that should age well or wow you even now, but at $35 and $50 per bottle, the question is whether it's worth it to you or not...

    ...I'll just say I'm a weak man and spent a fair bit of coin earlier this month and got four Don beers (2 and 2) as well a mix of DC and CAFTW to round out the box...all beers will last good long time in my crawlspace 'cellar', so there's that, but I truly miss the opportunity to get more Matt, Adam from The Wood, and Bourbon Fred from The Stone...

    ...FOMO can be a dangerously pricey thing...:sunglasses:
     
  9. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    I really appreciate your thorough and thoughtful response. That was nice you shared Don at the gathering! If the Michael magnum was 2019 instead of 2009 I would buy it for sure and share at the next gathering. Just hesitant about 14 year old beer.

    My instinct is to try your Matt first, and if I really like purchase consider purchasing either the freshest Cherry Adam / Fred from the Wood / Doggie Claws left. Wild card / gamble would be to possibly take a chance on the vintage double pack if people report back these have aged for a long time, as it's uncertain what years will be shipped.

    If the Michael were 2019 instead of 2009, I'd probably splurge for the magnum and share at a bottle share like Sheboygan or with peeps here. 14 years seems a bit risky so I'll probably pass.
     
  10. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...I've toyed with the Michael purchase, too...I don't mind Flanders sours but they're not high on my list of desirable beers and at $70 per (big) bottle, well, I'd rather buy two Dons since they're a known entity to me...
     
  11. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Thanks for your wonderful review, as always. I don't have one this old, but I do have an Adam from the Wood from 2015. Will open it soon. Cheers!
     
  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    @ChicagoJ its worth noting that Alan was always refreshingly honest with his pricing and based it on how good he thought the vintage was drinking at the time. Obviously your palate is not his palate, but for things like Doggie Claws with multiple vintages available you can trust that he believes the 2010 is drinking better than the other vintages and that the fresher vintages are punching below their weight.
     
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  13. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    This is a big help, as I am not really familiar with this brewer beyond reading about it in the closure thread. Thought it may have had to do with their supply. I may try my Matt over the Labor Day weekend and go from there. I'll post a cellar review here, though I won't have a baseline to compare.

    Cheers!
     
  14. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    2018 Thomas Hardy's Ale Golden Edition 50th Anniversary Ale. 13% ABV. As most know, Thomas Hardy's dates back to 1968. This is now brewed by Interbrau S.p.A in Italy. They have done a nice job maintaining the original recipe and coming out with some special barrel-aged versions. This is definitely amped up, in terms of ABV, compared to the regular edition. I have probably consumed 10-12 bottles of this beer, starting in 2018. Here's another!

    Poured at fridge temp in a Thomas Hardy's glass that was sent to me (for free) by the brewer when I asked them about it. Pours with no head and is a somewhat opaque orange/light brown. The nose is full of fruit, light caramel, a hint of banana, and tons of malts. Super smooth.

    The taste is super smooth. It has definitely lost some of the boozy abruptness that it displayed 5 years ago. This is a sweet spot, although it might get even better over the next 5 years. I have a couple more for that experiment. Toffee, candied sugar, oak bitterness, slight citrus peel, and a lovely bread/biscuit note. I have a few sips left and I'm wondering where it went! It's super easy to drink and I don't think I'd ever guess it were 13%. So glad to have this beer.

    Body is relatively thin, but it works here. The aftertaste is a light citrus bitterness and a caramel sweetness. Lovely overall!

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  15. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Great write-up.
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    2015 24oz Torpedo

    Great head. Cloudy. Not a lot of oxidation all things considered. Less vibrant and punchy than fresh Torpedo. More muted. A step down from fresh Torpedo, but still remarkably enjoyable. This beer has held up very well. I think it's fair to say I probably enjoyed this one more than a ton of fresh IPAs I could have drank instead.
     
  17. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Wow, this must be bulletproof. I can’t really imagine drinking an 8 year old IPA unless it was a 120 Minute
     
  18. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    That is quite a picture you painted, so glad you enjoyed this as much as you did.
     
  19. DIM

    DIM Grand Pooh-Bah (4,788) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I have had a few 2010s in recent years and they have been by far my favorite experience with Doggie Claws.
     
  20. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    If you click on the various vintages of beers on the website they will say what the carbonation level is and what their opinion of whether can age more or not. Putting aside the more recent releases, the vintages that were rated highest likely sold out a couple years ago when they started selling all the vintage beers off.
     
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