Cask Appreciation: Piston or Gravity Dispense

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by M-Fox24, Nov 8, 2022.

  1. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    The dividends = A set of diverse ideas with an English inspired (pub/tavern) stout being the first…
    • "Sometimes you just get inspired. After a recent trip to England I came back with alot of ideas. This is the first one, an English style Stout that is creamy, roasty and smooth. Its 4.9% and on cask served through a beer engine at cellar temperature…always lots of good Real Ale on here served in proper imperial pints"
    Separately, was not thrilled about the hop bill on Witches Thimble, and have skipped this in the past; nonetheless, was finally coerced into a 1/2 pint per the NERAX/UK inspiration: Brass Castle, who typically applies & incorporates 'US tactics'


    • Backbeat
    • Massachusetts, USA
    • 6xBeer Engines (Angram)
      • 5xActive
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Visit: September 7, 2023
    • English Stout (Dark British Beer): 15W40
      • Cask Tapped: September 4, 2023
      • Modelled After: Harviestoun Old Engine Oil (Post UK Trip)
        • ABV: 4.9%
        • Aspirator: Yes
        • Sparkler: No
          • Proper Pint
    • English IPA: Witches Thimble
      • Cask Tapped: September 2, 2023
      • Modelled After: Brass Castle Blue Bell (Pre UK Trip)
        • ABV: 4.5%
        • Aspirator: Yes
        • Sparkler: No
          • Half Pint


    Sidenotes: A Brief Discussion Over…
    • NERAX/Pete attending the next (Jan. 2024) Atlanta Cask Ale Tasting to scout, as a way to expand & better represent the US selection in the UK (e.g. GBBF)
    • The Thames Side Collaboration
    • The Euston Tap Setup: Real ale dispensed via Cask Taps that have a side-pull appearance with a sparkler add-on
    • The Next Quarterly Event (Next Week)
    • PET-Conditioned Casks
    • Andy Day’s Barley Wine @ GBBF + Stateside (Clean Approach)
    • + a positive discussion on ‘The Wick’


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  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Had the pleasure of visiting Euston Tap. It's certainly unusual. The ratio of taps to square footage of interior seating is definitely different from most norms. :wink: I don't know the technicalities of how their cask beer is dispensed without being pulled. The Adnams "Irish red" I had there was great.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My guess would be the casks are stored higher up and the dispense via the sidepull faucets is a gravity pour.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Re: Euston Tap –

    The cellar is below ground, which entails a crawl space ladder: most of the equipment had to be reassembled upon installation

    …They use the ‘Scottish air pressure system’


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  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks. Didn't think of that. That's good to know. Like Aitken tall founts in a wall.

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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It seems like the method of dispense via tall fonts in Scotland has been in decline for some time:

    "Air pressure is a dispense system employed almost exclusively in Scotland, where it is the predominant traditional method. An electrical compressor keeps a tank filled with air pressure of between one and two atmospheres. This pressurized air is used to force the beer up to the counter dispensers.

    In Scotland, the system is very much in retreat, with conventional handpumps replacing tall fonts in many outlets. An obvious, somewhat ethical problem with this method of dispense [tall font] is that the cutomer has no simple way of knowing whether a font is a keg or cask-conditioned beer."

    — Cellarmanship.

    Patrick O'Neill

    CAMRA Books (2011)”

    Cheers!
     
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  7. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Precisely…another exception being the threaded spout -



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  8. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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  9. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Pretty picture.
     
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  10. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    A Decocted and Pitch Lined Holzfaß

    • High Point (Ramstein)
    • New Jersey, USA
    • 1xGerman Gravity Dispense
      • Cask Tapped/Spigoted: September 9, 2023
      • Visit: September 9, 2023
    • Märzen: Oktoberfest
      • ABV: 6.5%
      • Immersed: No


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  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I visited The Referend (Kutztown, PA) yesterday. Had two of their cask beers from their beer engine:

    A Day in the Country. Spontaneously fermented golden ale aged 14 months in oak puncheons, conditioned on homegrown rhubarb, spruce tips, elderflower blossoms, and lemon balm
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    Berliner Messe - Gloria (DDH Talus). Spontaneously fermented pale wheat ale, dry hopped with Citra, Mosiac, & Simcoe, then dry hopped with Talus
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  12. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    How were the beers?
     
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  14. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    @zid - The iteration is/was richer, smoother, and mellower due to the dispense: ↓CO2 + ↑°F… An intensity that developed and built upon the residual sugars without becoming under-attenuated, given a heightened malt bill, besides a calm/evocative – fermentable – acceptance on diacetyl. Notwithstanding, the concealed noble hop effects over the subdued ‘resin-lined’ impacts, which preceded the (deep) grain taxations
     
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  15. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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  16. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    9/27 for Best Bitters -


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  17. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Will it be OK with Breal Capital if I have a pint of ordinary? :wink:
     
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  18. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    “…there is a wrong way to promote traditional ale by not knowing the tradition. Whether it's brewing, sipping, drinking, traditional ale is always difficult to maintain its beautiful orthodox culture…Consumer perception of Cask Ale is mostly about experimental beer with special flavors, rather than traditional flavors of traditional raw materials…





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  19. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    ...a designated spot for Yards per the availability & ‘real ale’ collaboration/s (i.e. English IPA)…they are currently working on another one


    • Prohibition Taproom
    • Pennsylvania, USA
    • 1xActive Beer Engines (Angram)
      • Keg-conditioned
      • Tapped: September 15, 2023
      • Pub Visit: September 16, 2023
    • American IPA: CASK IPA
      • Brewery: Yards
      • ABV: 7%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Immersed: No
      • Sparkler: No



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  20. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Pitched with Pine & Vegetable Oil -

    • Event: OKTOBERFEST 2023
    • Host: Human Robot
    • Pennsylvania, USA
    • 2xGerman Gravity Dispense(s)
      • Cask(s) Tapped/Spigoted: September 16, 2023
      • Visit: September 16, 2023
    • Festbier: Festbier
      • Brewery: Human Robot
      • Grains: German Pilsner & Munich
      • Hops: German Hersbrucker
      • Yeast: House
      • ABV: 5.6%
    • Oktoberfest/Märzen: Oktoberfest Märzen (1930’s mash regimen)
      • Brewery: Human Robot
      • Grains: Vienna, Munich, and Farbmalz
      • Hops: German Hersbrucker
      • Yeast: House
      • ABV: 5.6%


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