Buying a thermometer/temperature gun for beer?

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  1. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Hi.

    Due to living in a shared flat and sharing a fridge among 3, I often find myself needing to store my beers in my room and, come drinking time, quickly throwing them in the freezer to get them cold. This can sometimes be a bummer, as I'll occasionally under-chill or over-chill my beer (under-chilling usually being the bigger bummer).

    I was thinking about buying a temperature/thermometer gun to avoid this, just pull the beer out of the freezer every 5 minutes and beam it up to get a temp reading. This would only work, however, under the following two assumptions:
    ---(1) the surface of the beer container (be it a can or a bottle) cools at the same rate as the liquid inside it (and eventually comes to match the liquid inside once it is no longer changing temperature), in which case the temperature gun reading of the bottle or can would more or less be an exact indicator of the beer inside.
    ---(2) if the thermometer gun can measure the surface temperature of any given material, rather than just skin (aka your forehead).

    So... does anyone with more scientific prowess than I know if these two assumptions would be the case? Or maybe even better, anyone every bought a temp gun for this purpose and tried it themselves?

    Cheers!
     
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  2. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    Don't know how good your freezer is, but my rule of thumb is an hour in the freezer laying sideways (more surface area exposure) and let warm accordingly, usually a couple minutes
     
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  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Temp guns only measure the surface temp. And containers will definitely chill from the outside in so your temp gun will absolutely give a cooler reading than the liquid inside the bottle.

    With some experimenting you could probably calibrate yourself to know what the temperature you read on the outside of the bottle/ can need to be to reach the temp you want the liquid to be
     
  4. VABA

    VABA Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,735) Aug 8, 2015 Virginia
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    Buy a mini refrigerator (personal refrigerator, which is even smaller than a small refrigerator) and keep it in your room. It’s a little more price wise than the temp gun, but you don’t need to keep buying batteries. And more importantly, you will have chill beers at all times! :slight_smile:
     
  5. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Very true! Even if there is a difference between the temps of the beer inside and the container, it will probably generally be the same difference.
     
  6. defunksta

    defunksta Grand Pooh-Bah (4,164) Jan 18, 2019 Wisconsin
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    Put in the freezer for 20-30 min, or until it seems ready, record the time. Let it sit out for a couple of minutes and the surface will relatively equalize with the liquid. Then like you guys said above, check the surface, check the liquid. Within a few tries and you'll know exactly how long to leave it in the freezer.
     
  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    To me, this sounds like too much trouble before simply drinking a beer. Can you just experiment to determine the ideal-ish length of time in the freezer and then set an alarm on your phone accordingly?

    I’ll add this just in case the perspective has any benefit - I used to put my beers in a fridge or freezer before drinking them. Over time, I eventually came to the realization that I preferred all of my beers straight from my basement and at a significantly higher temp than from a fridge. In some ways the preferences we have for things like this are learned and can change. On my end, I’m very happy I changed my practices. If I didn’t have a basement, I’d prefer room temp beers over fridge temp.

    I’m obviously not suggesting you should change your preferences to solve your problem… but sometimes it pays to look for solutions in unusual places, and it can’t hurt to challenge one’s ideas. :beers:
     
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  8. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I've also come around to enjoying my beer warmer than I used to (the fridge I store my beer in is set to its highest temp setting which yields a temp around 54°f) but is suspect that a Spanish apartment bedroom is likely to be much warmer than that most of the time.

    I drank a helles straight from a warehouse store shelf last night, I'd wager the liquid was in the low- mid 60s, and I can tell you in much looking forward to having the next can out of the fridge later today
     
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  9. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I may be in the minority, but I try hard to avoid “fast chilling”, because I think it changes the flavor. Don’t know why, but I feel like a beer that has sat in the fridge for several days tastes different than one that was chilled earlier that day or fast chilled.

    That said, the temp gun is certainly too much work. A mini fridge is the way to go. Alternatively, if you are set on the freezer, then just time it and figure it out and set an alarm as others have said.
     
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  10. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Yeah, I can just stick them in the freezer for half an hour. That’s what I currently do. But it’s not a standardized way of cooling. It depends on start temp, what the beer is touching in the freezer (i think), whether it’s a can or a 33cl bottle or 50cl or 75cl, maybe some other factors too which I haven’t even considered. Several weeks ago i threw in 2 Belgian bottles at the same time to do a side by side tasting, and one was about 4° Celcius cooler than the other when i pulled the two out. And then last week the Heady Topper which I finally got my hands on after years waiting, well I brought it over to a friend’s bar and during the hour trip there it warmed up, and so I threw it in his fridge along with a couple other cans, and an hour later I figured it was cold again and finally opened them up and it was actually still quite warm, which was really a huge, huge bummer for the both of us. Yeah, I guess the Heady incident was specifically what made me more seriously consider this. Sure, through various, various trials using different variables I could probably find some formula that would give me the temp after x minutes with with all those variables. But honestly, I think I’d much rather pay the 20 euros for a temp gun if it would work reasonably well.
     
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  11. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    So, if you use a temp gun, what I would expect is the following. Bear in mind that I am NOT a thermal physicist (is that a thing) or anything of the sort. I just have some experience with thermal properties from my work.

    The outside will cool faster, and it will slowly cool to the center. But, the outside likely won’t become the ambient temperature of the freezer for some time, approaching it asymptotically. So, you’ll still have to do testing, and instead you’ll be checking your beers a couple times over to get the right temperature. This is after testing, of course, and this will likely vary by style. Again, I don’t know much in the way of densities, but I would assume a thicc stout will cool slower than a thin Kölsch, all other things equal.
     
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  12. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    @Beer_Economicus

    Wooowww, some real scientific insights, this was what I was hoping for in the first place. Honestly you are amazing.

    Beer density never had occurred to me. So it looks like it’s more complicated with a temp gun than simply assuming a constant temp difference between the container & liquid.
     
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  13. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I just realized, how have none of us offered our dear friend @dajjorg the essential beer cooking technique I learned in college?

    To cool a beverage rapidly you want to put it in icy water. You could use a small cooler or a bucket and fill it with ice and a little water and your bottles or cans will chill much faster. It won't eliminate the variability but it will make it happen faster.
     
  14. KP7

    KP7 Pooh-Bah (1,605) Feb 8, 2021 Massachusetts
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    Can't believe no one has suggested this yet. If your roommates won't give you enough space in the fridge for a can or two or beer, it's time to get some new roommates.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What!?! No discussion of the quick chill method?

     
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  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The above is related to something I had in my mind with my post but wasn’t explicit about. If that sort of attention to detail is something that you really enjoy, then move forward with trying to control it. If the above is more of a worry than a pleasure, then you might find more enjoyment by loosening your need to control the situation perfectly. Don't worry so much about something that should bring enjoyment.

    But to feed into that worry (:wink:) - you might even be doing more harm than good by checking the bottled beer temp every 5 minutes. If you had to put those Belgian bottles on their side to keep them in the freezer, and if they were beers that had secondary fermentation in the bottle, then you've not only managed to lower their temperature but you've also managed to disperse the bottle sediment throughout the beers. Some drinkers would prefer that outcome, but Belgian brewers will typically intend to have bottle sediment sit on the bottom of a bottle to avoid it dispersing into the entire beer. Do whatever you want, but just be aware of these things.

    If your goal is to get your beers as close to fridge temp as possible, but you can't store the beers in the fridge long-term, then perhaps a solution is to put the beers in the freezer for a half hour, and then move them to the fridge for an hour. If you are just doing this with one can, I would think that you might be able to find the space in the fridge for an hour. Perhaps this method will help avoid the temperature inconsistencies you are fighting... but I have no idea if science would disagree.
     
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  17. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Add salt and it will cool quicker. Salt water can get colder than non salt water due to the salt content.


    Another option is wrap the beers in damp towels and put them in the freezer. In theory that should help the heat transfer and cool the beer quicker.


    I just pop them in the freezer for 40 minutes, a bit more if it’s more than a six pack.


    Enjoy
     
  18. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Ah, just pour it in a cup with some ice.
     
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  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Could be the perfect use for the ol' trusty frosted mug!
     
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  20. DCH

    DCH Savant (1,119) Jun 12, 2013 New York

    I just try to remember the ABV of the beer comes into play with the freezer - if it’s a high abv like a double IPA i can leave in there for a while, but if it’s something around 5%, that can turn into a beer slushy in about 30-40 min.
     
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