Do you "force" warm Stouts/Porters?

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  1. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I like to keep all my beer in a dedicated beer fridge cold to preserve whatever the brewer intended, Porters and stouts included. However when I want one of those sippers I don't like to wait for it to warm to recommended drinking temperature by room warming only. I can't plan in advance for these sessions.
    I have developed a system where I place the can/bottle in luke-warm water to bring it up to 40-55 F quickly. Obviously cans work great for this trick. A quick read thermometer is a nice nerd item for this process.
    What's your opinion on this? Do you do it? Do you think I am causing damage by rushing things? (Slow food is good food).
     
  2. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    I don't have a thermometer but 20 mins after pour sitting at room temp have worked just fine for me. I figure if I start sipping around 40-45°F I reach well above 55 by the time I finish
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I've mentioned it before, and it'll freak people out again, 10 seconds in the microwave does the trick for me. :slight_smile:

    Just be sure there's no metallic decoration on your glassware. :grimacing:
     
  4. bound4er

    bound4er Maven (1,371) Jul 4, 2007 Wisconsin

    Yup. Toss em on my smooth-top stove set on low for a minute or two. Takes the chill off but doesn't warm up too much.
     
  5. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    Still in the can/bottle or in a glass once poured?
     
  6. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    If one is not opening up at fridge temp I'll try to warm the glass with my hands a bit
     
  7. GreenBayBA

    GreenBayBA Grand Pooh-Bah (4,265) Aug 30, 2015 Wisconsin
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    I have always stored and consumed stouts/porters/barleywines at cellar temperature. Then I met @DoctorZombies in-person. He has his thermometer. He is correct with the appropriate temperature for experiencing such beers. Please see his posts. Or @beergoot's posts. I believe he learned from the master.
     
  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I've read where that actually doesn't work... I can't remember exactly why, but I guess that whole warming brandy in a snifter is a fallacy.

    I'll have to see if I can corroborate.
     
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  9. ZebulonXZogg

    ZebulonXZogg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,142) May 5, 2015 Illinois
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    I open it, pour it, taste it, when it's "right" I'll enjoy it.
     
  10. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I actually have had multiple heat transfer courses in college, not that I remember any of the math, but the principles remain.
    Its just a matter of temperature differential, thermal conductivity and time.
     
  11. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...as a general rule, I prefer all my beers relatively warm...that said, many beers I'll open soon after leaving the refrigerator (or store coolers), so the temps may vary from really cold to over 60 °F...that 50 - 60 °F temp is my preferred temperature for big, dark beers especially...

    ...but, no, I don't force warm beers...however, I do do my beer geek thing and use a variety of ThermoWorks instant read thermometers...even have a key chain one that I use at bars and tap houses...
     
  12. beergoot

    beergoot Grand High Pooh-Bah (9,310) Oct 11, 2010 Colorado
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    ...I believe you are correct, sir!...it was seeing @DoctorZombies with his ThermoWork digital read thermometers that I decided to start using mine for beer purposes (I already used them for grilling and smoking)...
     
  13. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    No. I just pour it at fridge temp (usually about 6oz at a time) and enjoy noticing how the beer changes as it gradually comes up to room temp in the glass—usually it doesn’t last that long though.
     
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  14. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    delete this thread

    what i do is a "reverse " waste of time


    i keep most of my stouts under my art table
    after i open it i put remainder in the fridge


    what ive learned:

    a shitass stout will just taste like cold shitass beer.


    what you'll see most EVERYONE say :

    " once it warmed up more of the flavors came to be"

    which is lies.


    lies.
     
  15. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Pretty much this. I'm never in such a hurry that I need to bring them up to serving temp right away.
     
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  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I just read an article where they experimented with wine glasses -- one held by a hand and the other just sitting on the counter. Both glasses of wine warmed the same amount in the same duration of time. Conclusion being ambient temperature has more effect than the hand on the bowl of the glass.

    YMMV -- I suppose.
     
  17. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    Are you saying you or someone uses a thermometer on every beer to make sure it is at ideal temperature before tasting?
     
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  18. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I'd have to read it, because that doesn't hold up to basic heat transfer principles (as @woodchipper mentioned). Conduction is much more effective at transferring heat than radiation (not that kind of radiation), and the temperature delta from your body heat to the beer is much bigger than that from the ambient environment to the beer.

    There are only so many factors that affect the rate of heat transfer: thermal conductivity of the medium (same glass either way, so no difference), heat differential (greater from your hand than the air), and method of transfer (convection, conduction, or radiation - again, greater from your hand than from the air).

    (I am also assuming, sight unseen, that the article tested this on red wine, which was more likely to be closer to room temperature than white wine - therefore, the rate of heat transfer would be less than if one went with a colder beverage, due to a smaller differential temperature. I obviously don't know if that's the case.)

    Now, whether or not the difference matters is another story. It's entirely possible that the rate at which the glass warms is insignificant when compared to the rate at which you consume your beverage. That's almost certainly the case with such a wine experiment, especially if you're going with 4-6 ounce pours (instead of dumping half a bottle into an oversized glass). The first several sips will have no difference in temperature, and before you know it, the wine's gone, so ... it doesn't matter.

    Now, apply that to a 12 - or even 16! - ounce beer? Something you almost have to sip more slowly than wine? Maybe it makes a difference, maybe not.

    But either way, the science is sound. It's not a question as to whether or not your hand will warm the beverage faster (it does). It's a question as to whether or not it does so fast enough to make a discernible difference while drinking it. It's like measuring the force of earth's gravity, which we often state is equal for all objects (in a vacuum) ... but that's not entirely accurate. It's just that the mass of the earth is so incredibly large by comparison that if you take two different objects of different mass, and drop them from different heights, then the height differential and mass differential are essentially irrelevant. The force is mathematically different, but you're not going to notice it. :slight_smile:
     
  19. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    @beergoot Do you have models of those you use? I assume if it is too cold when poured at home or at other location you just wait to try until it reaches ideal temp?
     
  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I do not ... but that's because I store all stouts and barleywines in the cellar or at room temperature (which is typically low 60s at the most). So if anything, I might toss it in the fridge or even freezer for a bit to cool it down, but I never have a need to warm them up.

    I'm not overly concerned about preservation, as that's mostly a time game. I still have more than half a case of 2018 Narwhal in my cellar; that beer would be old whether it had been stored in the cellar or the fridge (or room temperature). It certainly matters more with volatile compounds, but I'm just not worried about it with a stout or porter.

    As to damaging the beer? No, I think you're fine there. There shouldn't be anything wrong with warming it up in water. That same method is used for tons of other food you need to bring up to temperature. Boiling water would be another story, likely. :wink:
     
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