Oxbow's Contract-brewed Beers

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  1. brettanomyces420

    brettanomyces420 Crusader (429) Nov 30, 2023 Massachusetts
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    I've been very disappointed by two recent beers from Oxbow, their Luppulo Italian-style pils and Alpino alpine-style pilsner. I've been drinking both beers for years, and felt that Luppulo was one of the best domestically-brewed italian-style pilsners.

    Recently, both have been falling flat - the Luppulo has lost a lot of the nuance from its dry-hopping profile and now comes off as a more straight-forward dry-hopped lager. The Alpino now reminds me a lot of a Sierra Nevada pale ale, with a very bright citrus hop aroma.

    I noticed the Alipino is now being produced by Zero Gravity for Oxbow. Not sure if the Luppulo is as well, but it was a similar flavor shift. I've been impressed with ZG's contract brewing work for Notch (and, frankly, ZG's own portfolio has some excellent beers). Not sure why these beers are translating so poorly, but what a bummer to see two iconic beers go downhill.
     
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  2. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    IMO contracted beer is never the same.

    Sip was the Lawsons contracted beer that kind of turned me away from it. Not a bad beer. But it’s not even close to DS
     
  3. Dirtnap666

    Dirtnap666 Initiate (72) Feb 10, 2023 New Hampshire

    Pretty sure oxbow contracts all of their beers now other than the barrel stuff. Interesting how many breweries turn to contract brewing right now yet continue to open new spots? Are they sick of brewing or did all the talent leave? The turnover there is shocking.
     
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  4. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Think Maine doesn't require brewers to disclose where stuff was brewed and it's also very easy (from a government paperwork stand point) to open up new "breweries" (taprooms). It's a bit deceptive.
     
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  5. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    having someone else brew your beer is a hell of a lot more cost effective than investing millions into a larger production facility. There’s a glut of capacity everywhere in the US. Really no need to spend all the time and money (and risk) building a new facility. The ROI on $$ spent on a new tap room location is significantly better than spending that money on additional production capacity.

    Also ZG has an incredibly sophisticated system that should be capable of producing some pretty fantastic beer. I think they might make some of the best readily available beer across numerous styles in New England.
     
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  6. brettanomyces420

    brettanomyces420 Crusader (429) Nov 30, 2023 Massachusetts
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    I agree! Zero Gravity is nailing so many styles right now, from their incredible nitro dry stout to McLighty's Light Lager. That makes them whiffing Luppulo & Alpino seem odd - seems like those styles should be in their wheelhouse, and that they should scale up well.
     
  7. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Contract brewing can be a very good alternative. I know that one local brewery near me contracted out its bottled/canned beers (exception bombers) to a succession of companies. The local brewer described some of his adventures in evaluating and instructing those brewers. To me, those products were consistent and good. Another local brewer has used contract brewing for its canned beers, and one of its brews has been a favorite of mine for years.
     
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  8. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Another potential benefit of contract brewing is that larger scale canning (and possibly bottling) facilities are likely to deliver beer in better condition than small-scale can or bottling lines, mobile canning, and/or crowler machines.
     
  9. Stormfield

    Stormfield Savant (1,065) Feb 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    Cambridge Brewing Company has always contract-brewed their canned beer, notably Flower Child, and it’s been great since the beginning
     
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  10. Davl22

    Davl22 Maven (1,341) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
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    I never realized Oxbow had any beers contract brewed, but it does make sense considering the size of the brewhouse in Newcastle. It can't be all of the clean beer though because they just posted something recently about mashing in on FPA.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have purchased Luppolo a number of times in the past and I was always a fan of those beers. My most recent purchase (a few weeks ago) is a differing experience. I did not carefully read the can's label at the time of purchase but in small-ish font the can lists: "Brewed for Oxbow Brewing Co. by Zero Gravity Brewing Co. Burlington, Vermont".

    I find it 'interesting' that they chose to highlight in bold the "Oxbow Brewing Co." part.

    I am not a fan of this 'new' Luppolo and the fact that this beer is pricey (16 bucks at my local Retail Beer Distributor) adds insult to injury.

    I will no longer be purchasing this beer. A bit of a disappointment since I did enjoy the Luppolo beers of the past that were brewed in Maine.

    Cheers!
     
  12. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,868) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Wouldn’t it be funny if Luppulo has been brewed by ZG for some time and you now are just noticing it? Or do you have the receipts?
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What I can say with certitude is that this last purchase of Luppolo is the first time the cans listed the beer was brewed at Zero Gravity.

    But find your amusement where you will. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Cheers!
     
  14. brenduune

    brenduune Aspirant (299) Dec 2, 2013 New York

    I’m seeing contracting as a way for breweries to accomplish a couple things: lower the cost of their best selling beers to the consumer, gain access to better equipment and ingredients, allows them to concentrate on innovation and their taproom operations.

    Win win for consumer and the producer. I don’t care where the beer is brewed if it tastes good and the brewery is surviving in this crazy industry.
     
  15. brewandbbq

    brewandbbq Grand Pooh-Bah (3,091) Apr 24, 2003 New Hampshire
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    Oxbow contract brewed? Huh, never know it by the $.
     
  16. brenduune

    brenduune Aspirant (299) Dec 2, 2013 New York

    They wouldn’t be able to offer their lagers at the current price on the shelf if they brewed it themselves, brew house is too small. And ya gotta consider the outrageous increases in raw materials and increase in labor costs.
     
  17. dele

    dele Zealot (614) Mar 13, 2019 Massachusetts

    That's all well and good. I just want them to be transparent about it. I find it pretty shady for a brewery to imply on a label that their beer was produced in one place when it was actually produced in another.
     
  18. brettanomyces420

    brettanomyces420 Crusader (429) Nov 30, 2023 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, I'm very confident about this. I've led guided tastings of Italian pilsners, using Luppulo as a specifically as an example of a domestic beer similar to the O.G. Tipo pils. I've even corresponded with the brewer about their techniques for brewing this beer. It's a beer I know very well, and immediately noticed the shift in flavor. If I was gonna go out on a limb, I'd speculate that there's less emphasis on the warmer fermentation temps associated with italian pilsners now that it's being brewed at ZG. The new version tastes like a more straight-forward dry hopped pils to me now, with a brighter hop profile and a cleaner (maybe even slightly more attenuated) body. The problem with a full move in production is that we can't do a proper side-by-side since an OG Maine-brewed can would be older.

    Heck, I'll reach out and see what they say. Stay tuned.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    All brewing is a combination of ingredient selection and brewing process. Since lager beers are more involved (e.g., including the lagering phase) it could be argued it is more process intensive. It is entirely possible (probable?) that the Zero Gravity brewery configuration is different from the Oxbow brewing in Newcastle and consequently this brewing process would be 'compromised' (but with steps to 'manage' the differences?).

    At the Oxbow brewery in Newcastle they list Luppolo as being available on draft, maybe this 'version' was brewed locally in Newcastle?

    https://oxbowbeer.com/location/newcastle/

    Perhaps a side-by-side tasting of this draft beer vs. a canned version brewed at Zero Gravity would be revealing?

    Cheers!
     
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  20. brettanomyces420

    brettanomyces420 Crusader (429) Nov 30, 2023 Massachusetts
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    Good points on process! I'd love to check these out side-by-side. I reached out to Oxbow and learned that they began brewing in VT in November 2022, so just over a year ago.
     
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