Hamm’s Appreciation Thread (2024)

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  1. miwestcoaster

    miwestcoaster Grand Pooh-Bah (3,981) Jan 19, 2013 Michigan
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    I have not had the pleasure. I looked at the brewery web site and Lager is not listed. It was last rated by a BA in 2022 and last reviewed in 2019. The web site says Upper Hand is a division of Bell’s, so then a part of NB? My go to lager from Upper Hand is Deer Camp Amber. I pick up a case each fall.
     
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  2. fuzzywarren

    fuzzywarren Crusader (445) Aug 7, 2020 Ohio

    We were camping up in Northern Michigan once and none of the craft beers were doing it for me (surprisingly few) and a 12 pack of Hamm’s was all I needed. I reconnected with it about 6 years ago. I dig all the old recipe AAL ‘s.
     
  3. thebeeremptor

    thebeeremptor Pundit (764) Aug 12, 2018 California
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    This plus "It's good enough for what it is" is part of my elevator pitch to anyone who I've recommended Hamm's to, on top of boring them with some context/history of the brewery if they'll let me talk long enough.
     
  4. Blogjackets

    Blogjackets Grand Pooh-Bah (4,816) Nov 22, 2017 Ohio
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    A nice pairing: Johnsonville Beddar (not a typo) Cheddar brats and Hamm’s. Cheers.
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  5. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    I found a four pack of Deer Brand 16 ounces over the holidays and to be honest it really hit the spot more than some of the other (craft) beers I had....not sure if it's all malt but it wouldn't surprise me.....just had more depth than a lot of AAL types...much prefer to artificial tasting Premo. Not that I hate Premium but Deer Brand is definitely better in my opinion.
     
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  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    August Schell, a decade ago, was one of the most vocal proponents of adjunct usage for "traditional" US AAL beers, such as this reply by Jace Marti, brewmaster, of the family that's owned the brewery since the mid-19th century. Here, in response to the then-Brewers Association rule which did not allow a brewery with a AAL flagship to be considered "Craft". (I'm sure you recall that :wink:).
    What are "Premo" and "Premium" (same beer?)? Local nicknames for Grain Belt, I guess? (Just looked at the current can design on the brand's website https://www.grainbelt.com/ Yeah, I can see why that might be the case. :grin:)

    Doesn't Schell use 2 different yeast strains for their 2 AAL flagships and isn't the Grain Belt's yeast known for giving the beer "grape" notes? Supposedly,
    Deer Brand = a Carlsberg-strain and Grain Belt = a Tuborg-strain.
     
  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW -- I wasn't suggesting Deer Brand was all malt -- just the opposite (opposite of all malt being adjunct?).

    The Schell's all malt that was distributed by MdV was a completely different beer than DB. I'll have to check notes, but they may have brought it back as their Anniversary Pilsner, but I don't think the same 80s recipe is brewed anymore.
     
  8. ANIMOUL

    ANIMOUL Pooh-Bah (2,524) Nov 28, 2013 California
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    Recently saw "Dumb Money and that, coupled with this thread - and DaveToTheB's post - has made my "seek" out list. Not probable I'll find in VT but will seek time that I leave the state.
     
  9. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    No I didn't take it that you were suggesting it may be all-malt...I was suggesting it or at least saying it kind of tastes that way.
     
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  10. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    Yeah sorry...Premo=Premium....interesting notes on the yeast strains...Premium to me just has a weird artificial flavor....I'll drink it but it's different...not sure if it tasted that way in the olden days or not......wish they still made Grain Belt Golden...
     
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  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, the one below, left:
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    Chas. Finkel claimed he sent Ted Marti to Westphalia and Bavaria, who "took home recipes" for the two beers. MdV said the Pilsner was a "Classic highly hopped pilsener, (with) great balance of malted barley and Hallertau hops ...made in accordance with the Bavarian Purity Law, the Reinheitsgebot".

    MdV OTOH also claimed it was "hand made since 1864".:rolling_eyes:
     
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  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    What I find interesting, is all this Hamms love for a beer that gets a score of 68 (or poor) on BA. The beer has received roughly 1700 reviews and ratings.

    In my experience, a beer that has that many ratings and reviews, generally deserves the score it's received. In other words, I think it's fair to say that this really is a poor beer.

    Doesn't mean it's not a beer that can be appreciated and enjoyed from time to time, but on the other hand let's not make it into something it's not.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Of course it is going to have a low score. There are lots of BAs (the majority of BAs) who have exactly the same attitude you have towards AAL beers.

    Cheers!
     
  14. Blogjackets

    Blogjackets Grand Pooh-Bah (4,816) Nov 22, 2017 Ohio
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    “From the land of sky blue waters comes a beloved beer first made by Theodore Hamm. Show us your beer and merch! Cheers to the beer refreshing!”

    I think we’ve seen a lot of love and nostalgia for the beer here, but no one is calling for it to be held up as the best beer. It’s an affordable beer that tastes like beer. Plain and simple. Love of beer ties us together here at BA. During this week I drank a few beers including a top 250 BA rated beer (Abner) and a Hamm’s. Cheers.

     
  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I met Finkel once -- I made sure I still had possession of my wallet as I walked away. :wink:
     
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  16. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    You don't feel the low score has anything to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of the beer?

    As I think you know, the reason I generally don't care for AALs isn't because they have off flavors. IMHO, they don't (even if I'm not the biggest fan of corn flavor in my beer). When I review a beer, I look for aroma intensity and variety, flavor complexity, mouthfeel, finish and depth of flavor. In which one of those areas does a beer like Hamms stand out? The beer has very little flavor, has a watery, seltzer-like flavor component, minimal aroma and next to no finish. The hallmark of Hamms and most other AALs is their simple flavor profile and crushability. They're perfect for uncritical, thirst quenching, pounding on a warm afternoon. There's nothing wrong with any of those things I guess, but it doesn't lend itself to a very high rating or review.

    I think a poor rating for Hamms is very, very apt.
     
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  17. JBogan

    JBogan Pooh-Bah (1,871) Jul 15, 2007 California
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    Is a Honda Accord a lousy car because it doesn't drive as nice as a Mercedes S class?

    Sure, most craft beers which cost double, triple or more what Hamm's goes for are likely going to be more pleasing to most craft beer lovers.

    Hamm's is a good beer for what it is. Just because it doesn't appeal to your taste doesn't mean it's a bad beer.
     
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  18. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    And I'm not trying to detract from any of that. However, some of the posts have been a bit over the top (IMHO), which is why I thought it was appropriate to remind everyone this isn't KBBS we're taking about. It's a beer that's scored a 68 on BA.

    As always, people should drink what they like, and if you enjoy a couple cases of Hamms every now again, God knows you won't have to worry about going to the poor house any time soon. However, I think it's a bit much when I hear some members talking about Hamms as if it's the greatest lager ever made. They're entitled to their opinion of course, but I'm going to push back on that.
     
  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Sorry, I'm not getting your car analogy.

    And just because it does appeal to your taste doesn't make it a good beer. That's why I alluded to the BA score rather than my personal opinion in the post above. After 1700 reviews/ratings, it's listed as a poor beer.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Nope, I think this beer is listed as "68" because BAs do not rate this beer to style; they instead rate it with their prejudices to the AAL beer style.
    John, you consistently belittle the AAL beer style so I understand why you feel this way.

    Cheers!
     
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