Musings on Budweiser

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Squire, Mar 11, 2024.

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  1. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'm probably a bit older than you, but this is something I've wondered about for a long time. I agree with your supposition that the watery-ness and bland flavor of the macros made them a ripe target for the microbrew revolution, but the timing was always something that interested me.

    I was living in Memphis when the revolution arguably began, and I remember asking a distributor why they weren't carrying things like Anchor Steam, Sierra Nevada or even Corona. This was back in the late 80's. I remember him laughing and scoffing, pointing out how expensive those beers were, and that obviously no one would pay that kind of price for beer. At least not mainstream consumers. He acknowledged that mainstream macros weren't very interesting or exciting, but pointed out that consumers were used to drinking those beers, and simply weren't going to pay the sort of premium price that craft beer would command.

    In hindsight, I've always found his perspective pretty interesting.
     
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  2. GuyFawkes

    GuyFawkes Grand Pooh-Bah (5,630) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    Bud Heavy legitimately tastes good, especially out of the bottle, in my opinion. It's not something I drink daily, or much at all, but it's something I seek out whenever beer choices get tough.

    I'm not talking about Bud Light or any other varieties they put out...but I think most beer drinkers, "craft" or not, can appreciate this beer.

    This is not a political post, by the way.
     
  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    At least I'm consistent.
     
  4. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Sorry, can't help with your confusion.
     
  5. TCgenny

    TCgenny Grand Pooh-Bah (3,555) May 26, 2021 New York
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    What I buy= Who I am
    Isn’t that the foundation of marketing.
    US goods and services are world leading based on massively successful marketing. Lol craft loving drinkers enjoy engaging in elite, scarce to mass produced beverages. Look at me, a man of discerning taste.
    The products we like are many times “premium”.
    Let the plebes drink Bud
     
  6. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    No confusion. Critical thinking is a hard skillset for the American consumer. That's all I have waded through in your potwalloping about ab-inbev, and its executive decisions to deepen its market focus within not-straight 21-30s, while admitting the obvious previous decades approach, while simultaneously offending a market it actively worked for. My experience as a brewer in the middle of a drag bar kind of has a unique in-sight that you simply do not. There is a HUGE market waiting to be exploited to.
    I'd hesitate to guess that you are also familiar with the work issue that consists of "Not my job, not my problem."
     
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  7. NextBestThing

    NextBestThing Pundit (791) Apr 5, 2008 New York

    how dare you have your own occasionally conflicting belief system.
     
  8. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    At least you're not confined to Budweiser due to medical necessity anymore
     
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Or perhaps said more succinctly:
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What was the European Import scene in those areas 'back in the day'?

    I remember when I was a kid walking around the Retail Beer Distributor with my father (he would always buy a case of Piels Real Draft then) seeing a number of 'exotic' beers from far off places. Was this just a Philly area thing?

    I did not pay attention to prices then (since I was not buying) but I imagine those imports were quite expensive when compared to my father's purchase of Piels.

    Cheers!

    P.S. I also took note of Ballantine IPA since they came in boxes that looked like wood which I thought was cool.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Can you provide more details here?

    It is my understanding that the AB breweries practice high gravity brewing (i.e., produce higher ABV product which is later diluted with deaerated water prior to packaging). I would expect that Bud Light would be produced in this manner.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    Oregon availability of imports was poor in the late 60s and early 70s. Beer was sold in supermarkets and convenience stores, and had little variety. State Liquor stores sold only hard liquor. I have almost no memory of imports there. Maybe some fancy bars had imports, but I kept to the taverns (beer license). Some taverns had a dark draft, and I saw bottled Blitz Dark and Rainier Ale (none were very good). California was better, with liquor stores carrying a good variety of imports. The bar closest to my first apt. when I moved to San Diego had draft Dortmunder Ritter Light and Dark, both pretty terrific. In the early 70s Anchor came into our market and Falstaff-brewed Ballantine Ale appeared. Earlier, Newark Ballantine had less distribution, not seen in San Diego, but we purchased a six (all that we found) on a visit to Los Angeles.
     
  13. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I was making fun of bud light as watery industrial beer, and not describing any actual process they use. Still. In what you solicit as their actual process with the cold side addition to liquor it back. It's watery industrial beer.

    Chairs,
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    OK. Thanks for that clarification. I was a bit confused by your post.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    As @moodenba alluded to, the import pickings were pretty limited back in the mid to late 80's. In Memphis, I think you could find Molsons, Heineken and St. Pauli Girl. I also think you could find Dos Equis in some Mexican restaurants and certain.stores. When visiting family in NorCal, I remember visiting a German style deli that had a selection of very expensive German imports (Lowenbrau, Spaten and a few others). Some stores also carried Becks.

    I thought of Heineken as the benchmark for import and craft pricing back then. Anchor and SNPA 6 packs (where available) were roughly the same price as 6 packs of Heineken. If memory serves, a six pack of Heineken was pretty close to double the price of BMC products.
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, imports were less than 1% of the total US beer market into the 1970s and they tended to be available only in large metro regions of the country, especially the northeast and west coast. 25% of all imports, for example, were sold in NY-NJ metro region.

    Heineken alone (after Lowenbrau in the US was domestically brewed by Miller) accounted for around 40% of the imported beer market.

    But there were a lot of other brands imported - here's a list of the imports carried by a well-known PA retailer distributor:
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, the Retail Beer Distributor that my father purchased his Piels beer was Brewers' Outlet (see menu above). I always enjoyed looking at all of those 'exotic' beers listed above.

    In a past thread I shared another story about Brewers' Outlet which I will copy here:

    "My first bottle of Valley Forge beer was from a case purchased by my brother's best friend (Tim) and it cost him less than 4 bucks for a case of 16 ounce bottles (Brewer's Outlet - Woodlyn, PA). I was helping Tim out on a business venture and he 'rewarded' me with this bottle of inexpensive beer even though I was waaay underage. :flushed:"

    Cheers to fancy imported beer!

    @John_M @moodenba
     
  18. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    Wow it really sucks when capitalism no longer sees your segment as the most lucrative. Thoughts and prayers.
     
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  19. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Potwalloping? I admit, I had to look the word up but no, I have no interest in politics.
     
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  20. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I reserve the right at any time to revise and extend my remarks.
     
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