Is Craft Beer Cringe Right Now?

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  1. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Or maybe we lost them because the resale profits were better.
     
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  2. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Savant (1,009) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    “Cringe” is when a beer section looks more like a candy aisle
     
  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The one redeeming value of "craft beer" was that it was better than "microbrew".

    "A microbrew? Sure, I'll have one. Wait, let me get my tweezers..."
     
  4. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Savant (1,009) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    That’s a big factor. Also, good riddance
     
  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Article title: "Is Craft Beer Cringe Right Now?"

    Answer: Was there ever a time when it wasn't?
     
  6. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    It doesn't matter whether you care about GenZ (or other) consumers. In the beer market everybody does what they want (reference the controversy with Bud Light or the strange rise of Corona and Modelo) whether you like it or not. Already, some of my favorite craft styles (especially my preferred brands) are either discontinued or harder to get. Tap handles of my go-to beers are being crowded out. It's OK. I'll survive. It might be more productive to understand their political opinions, and either adapting to or trying to influence their views (but I don't think I'll try).
     
  7. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    It’s not cool anymore?

    shoot, I’ll promptly update my tastes because that’s super important to me
     
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  8. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I lose interest in consuming any beverage during the consumption of which I can't discuss the beverage's complete historical significance and chemical makeup. Didn't read the article but do you suppose it's referring to my type of beer drinker?
     
  9. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yeah, see -- when the whole Microbrew Era® started to emerge I completely embraced the term because it divided the brewing of better beer from the swill that was the norm -- besides, most of the better breweries were small.

    The transition to "craft brewing" always seemed a bit pretentious to me, though I never really cared one way or another -- but I think we really ought to evolve to some way of saying "good brewing vs. mundane brewing."

    But what do I know? I've been hunting good beer since 1985 -- pre any of the terms, pre any of the current social media memes too! :wink:
     
  10. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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  11. Electros

    Electros Grand Pooh-Bah (3,998) Feb 20, 2007 Canada (ON)
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    I found the article itself to be 'cringe'. It really painted a clear negative impression of the author... Since when did it be okay to be so obsessed with what race or who someone loves, where they came from, that makes their beer to be so okay? It is so strongly worded I had to read this article three times to let it sink. I couldn't believe the words coming out from the author as well as the perspective because it's exactly what's putting people off and that's what many like the author don't understand.

    I think craft breweries need to virtue signal less and focus more about their quality products, support local, and have a hip enjoyable space that is approachable to relax, unwind and detach for the stress of life.

    This is my personal opinion, craft beer has gotten too political and to preachy socially. You can't escape anywhere anymore without something being more about a social message and less about the product itself as well as a cool relaxed atmosphere.

    That's my two cents.
     
  12. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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  13. LAFreeway

    LAFreeway Zealot (669) Aug 2, 2023 California

    You sure are easy to please. I insist on triple decoction, open fermentation, extensive lagering and super fresh beer.
     
  14. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    There was a post a few days ago about Shock Top and many of the initial comments from seasoned users of this site did indeed make me "cringe".
     
  15. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,680) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    It's like anything else that people are passionate about and want to elevate the quality of.

    Just like food and wine. It's not so much about 'craft' part but you should be able to distinguish between McDonald's and any farm-to-table restaurant. The whole point was that a majority of beer was sh!t. There's no such thing as a beer nerd, or foodie, or wine snob. They are merely people who care about the quality of said product.

    As for the socially awkward, TMI, and not being able to 'read-a-room', following beer trends in lieu of quality, trying to 'flip' product for a quick buck, seeing the # you've drank or top 250 as a trophy -- well those are traits not solely isolated to people who enjoy craft beer. That is what's cringe.
     
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  16. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    “At this time, the industry developed a dynamic that is less present today but still exists, which is a sort of hero worship around brewery founders. White male brewery founders, of course — your Sam Calagiones (Dogfish Head), your Greg Kochs (Stone), your Jim Kochs (Sam Adams), your Ken Grossmans (Sierra Nevada)”

    While the point here is noted and is a good one, Garrett Oliver was well recognized and respected when the likes of Sam and Greg rose to fame (I realize he’s not the owner).

    I think the article focuses too much on the IBU wars which at this point are a blip on the recent boom’s radar. New England IPAs are what really took a foothold, but that style and why people liked it wouldn’t have fit the author’s theme.
     
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  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Definitely a good point. However Gen Z is between 12-27 right now. Can those that are even 21 afford craft beer?

    Also breweries tend to be a calmer family friendly environment these days. That’s certainly not the types of places I was hanging out in my 20s (not that tap rooms were a thing when I was).
     
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, and thanks to the ever-changing definition of "Craft Brewer" by the Brewers Association, meaningless, too. Besides being small ("only less than 6 million barrels":rolling_eyes:) and independent a craft brewer "Has a TTB Brewer’s Notice and makes beer." So... not a bootlegger? For a short time they used to claim:
    So, "craft beer" never really meant anything to them.

    Some credit beer writer Vince Cottone for coining the term. (Although I've found a couple earlier citations, including in Jackson's World Guide to Beer) In Cottone's 1986 book
    Good Beer Guide; Breweries, and Pubs of the Pacific Northwest he wrote:
    So, a bit more specific that the B.A....:grin:
     
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  19. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    What’s wrong with “beer”? Do people say they like “craft wine” so that you know they don’t drink it from a box? Why do we need to justify our passion for beer by putting a pretentious adjective in front of it? I guarantee that where I live at least, if you ask some friends to meet up and have some beers, they don’t think you mean you want to go chug Corona and Bud Light.
     
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  20. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Every hobby/pastime I've been lucky to have found before it gained a much greater popularity has suffered from this effect. Can't explain why, but assholes certainly came on scene and in many ways ruined skiing, Grateful Dead, mountain biking, and Phish. No reason that effect shouldn't extend to better beer.
     
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