Preventing Condensation Dilution in Hot Climate

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Dactrius, Apr 16, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Dactrius

    Dactrius Pooh-Bah (2,523) Apr 23, 2012 Caribbean Netherlands
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I've seen plenty of people complain of how frosted mugs cause condensation which dilutes the beer. I now live on an island where room temperature is frequently around 88F and when I drink beers like BB stouts (which I bring in my suitcase or ship here) the beer noticeably gets diluted by the end of the glass which I'm sure is due to all the condensation on the inside of the glass. I'm just splitting a can with my wife (these are a precious commodity here) so it's just a 6 oz pour which may make things worse. I don't really notice an issue when I'm drinking some tripel I bought on the island but it's probably less noticeable in that style and it's also a 12oz pour in that case.

    Anyone have an experience with the issue and associated solutions? I could try an insulated mug but those are typically way bigger than what I need and not exactly the ideal shape for these beers. An insulated whiskey glass perhaps? Or some other solution I'm just not thinking of that doesn't require a new vessel?
     
    ChicagoJ and beergoot like this.
  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah

    No way to chill the bottle/can and not the glass/mug?

    I would never think of drinking a beer from a frosted mug -- let alone a big Stout from one.
     
    ZebulonXZogg and beergoot like this.
  3. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    How slow are you drinking it that condensation could cause enough dilution to matter?
     
    ChicagoJ, Orca, BBThunderbolt and 3 others like this.
  4. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    The beer or wives?
     
    ChicagoJ, MrOH, Providence and 7 others like this.
  5. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Use a yeti or similar. You shouldn’t have any issue.
     
    ZebulonXZogg and ChicagoJ like this.
  6. Steve_Studnuts

    Steve_Studnuts Maven (1,355) Apr 21, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Room temp is frequently 88F? I'd just kill myself, personally.
     
    ChicagoJ, Iggy88, defunksta and 6 others like this.
  7. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Switch to barleywines? Or rum…
     
  8. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Wouldn't the condensation (assuming there is any) be on the outside of the glass?
     
  9. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah I can't imagine a scenario where the level of condensation meaningfully diluted the beer. Are you drinking 6 oz out of a chilled 2 liter boot?
     
  10. Genuine

    Genuine Maven (1,347) May 7, 2009 Connecticut

    I don't think I've ever noticed condensation on the inside of the glass...usually just the outside. I can't imagine enough getting into the beer to affect it greatly.
     
    ChicagoJ, BBThunderbolt and dcotom like this.
  11. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I don’t think this is an actual thing…but if it were, we should then be more concerned about how to prevent rain from diluting our beers…:rolling_eyes:
     
    dcotom likes this.
  12. Dactrius

    Dactrius Pooh-Bah (2,523) Apr 23, 2012 Caribbean Netherlands
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Sorry, I wasn't clear, the glass I'm using starts out at room temp, so it's 85F+. Condensation visibly occurs both on the inside and outside of the glass. Condensation on the outside obviously is no big deal. I'm drinking out of a relatively small snifter (holds 12 oz) but there is still plenty of surface area for condensation to occur.

    It seems like it's a pretty well established fact that if you frost a mug condensation occurs on the inside of the glass and dilutes the beer. So if that's true why is it surprising that if a glass gets cold from the liquid inside of it the same thing happens if the dewpoint is something like 70F?

    An insulated glass is likely the right call, probably one of those ones more meant for wine since I don't want to drink a tiny pour out of a giant mug. I saw some insulated Irish whiskey glasses for sale online which would probably be better still but not sure if it's worth importing something like that.

    I certainly never would've thought of this as a problem until living here. I probably drink the beer over 20 minutes or so. Same issue applies to barleywines or anything else intensely flavored enough that you notice dilution. It's not something I can tell when drinking a Hoegaarden. It's the sort of place where even red wine is served chilled because drinking wine that's nearly 90F is not pleasant.

    I definitely drink a lot more rum here but I still need my beer fix.
     
  13. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
    Society

    I wonder if keeping drink-ware in the fridge would help?
     
    ChicagoJ and dcotom like this.
  14. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    If they don't have air conditioning in the Netherlands Antilles, I'm crossing that place off my bucket list. I mean, really.
     
  15. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    If it is hot enough out that the act of drinking the beer is difficult the simplest answer is probably that one should drink more water to stay hydrated.
     
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I told that to my doctor when he asked if I was drinking enough water:
    "You bet. I'm drinking all the water than condenses on the inside of my beer glass!"
     
  17. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Shouldn’t the evaporation concentrate the beer in hot weather canceling out the condesation dilution?
     
    ChicagoJ and BBThunderbolt like this.
  18. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I don't think it's a big problem. Cooler air (and all CO2) are denser than warm air and tend to descend. So your cool CO2 and fairly stable cooled air over the liquid surface and up to the lip tend to protect the brew from much condensation. (you could use a glass with less head space and/or area at the lip, or drink out of a bottle; a snifter probably isn't best.) On the outside surface of the glass, warm air circulates, with the circulation encouraged by the cooling of the air. The result is a lot of condensation. Frozen mugs are a different issue. Any ice present initially will melt and enter the beer. No problem if they are handled correctly (although I do not drink anything out of a frozen glass). Getting a beer at Augustiner Salzburg includs a ritual rinsing of the mug before the draft pour; water always diluting the essential experience!
     
    ChicagoJ and LeinenkugelDrinker like this.
  19. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Are you even getting an ounce of water from condensation? I'd think much less than a teaspoon. I'm just having a hard time imagining there being enough water created to make an issue. How much water is left in the glass after the bartender uses a glass rinser? I'd bet that's more water than one gets from condensation.
     
  20. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
    Pooh-Bah

    You mean the condensate that forms on the exterior? It's never been an issue, actually. Glass doesn't condensate inwards. To further the question. I would add. Why are these beers you bring with starting at such a low temperature?
    To suggest a frosted mug near a big stout is dirty talk.
     
    ChicagoJ likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.