Time for another IPA substyle? Bright IPA

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just a few days ago I started a thread entitled "What even is a West Coast IPA":

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/what-even-is-a-west-coast-ipa.677056/

    And earlier today I watched a video podcast where a beer from Beak Brewing was discussed and the guys called it a “Bright IPA”. What the heck is a Bright IPA!?!

    From a quick web search:

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    “Creeks has been inspired by a recent Beak trip to the Pacific Northwest - the brew team has developed a style of beer they call a Bright IPA, which combines crystal-clear clarity with New England levels of ripe, tropical fruit flavours. Think: all the refreshing drinkability of a West Coast IPA with the aroma and flavour of a NEIPA.”

    https://www.hopburnsblack.co.uk/products/beak-brewery-creeks-bright-ipa-63-440ml-can

    Are we really looking at a new ‘hybrid’ IPA substyle here? Or is this beer really just a Modern version of a West Coast IPA?

    Have any of you had this beer?

    Cheers!
     
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  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    This is just a modern WCIPA. Brewers out here have been making clear IPAs with frooty hops for years now. I wonder which breweries they visited to borrow the recipes, err, be "Inspired" by.
     
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  3. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    This description sounds like Deschutes Freshed Squeezed or Lagunitas Sucks (original recipe)?
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Don't know as if I'd call Fresh Squeezed clear or bright.
     
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  5. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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  6. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    As a real answer here Jack, around Texas and Houston specifically. Lone Pine Yellow Rose almost fits this description, probably the first of its kind around here and made way back in 2013. Maybe not "crystal clear" but certainly a tweener (as I like to call it) between a traditional IPA with some bitterness, but also plenty of melon and berry like fruit flavors. Finishes with a crisp bite, and while sweet-ish, finishes drier that many NEIPA's. Though, I'm beyond trying to parse what exactly a specific IPA sub style is anymore, so maybe I'm of on this ha.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, since I have your attention. Just a couple of days ago in the Sacred Profane thread I learned about a new IPA substyle called Czech Style IPA:

    “czech-style ipa, double decocted and dry-hopped, featuring 100% maine grain and aromatic czech kazbek hops and fermented with lager yeast”

    And they apparently have no qualms using the three letters of “IPA” even though this beer is produced using a lager yeast (a Czech lager yeast I presume).

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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Two weekends ago I discussed this beer in the NBW thread:

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    Yup, by no means crystal clear.
    Yes indeed, notable bitterness to this beer. I personally did not specifically perceive any melon or berry fruits, I posted: "The flavor follows the nose with lots of fruity flavors (e.g., tropical fruit) but in addition there is some citrus on the palate."

    I did discuss whether this beer is a Juicy/Hazy substyle (e.g., hazy appearance) or a 'regular' IPA:

    "But is this beer a ‘regular’ IPA or a Juicy/Hazy IPA? It sure looks like a Juicy/Hazy IPA and the prominent tropical fruit flavor sure makes it seem like a Juicy/Hazy IPA. But the notable bitterness and non-smooth mouthfeel with a dry finish makes it seem like a ‘regular’ IPA. On BA it is placed in the American IPA category and I will choose to not quibble here."

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-weekend-197.677030/#post-7972686

    Cheers!
     
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  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    How is it that a brewery in the UK can travel to the Pacific Northwest and, “inspired,” develop a whole new style?

    That’s like saying I just got back from Mexico and was so inspired by the local cuisine that I invented tacos.
     
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  10. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Or, if they went with the low IBU craze of some NE-style IPAs, it's just an American IPA with modern hops. There's nothing wrong with using newer hop varietals, of course, but they don't inherently make for a new style.

    If it's very bitter: it's a WC IPA with newer varietals. If it isn't: it's an IPA, still with newer varietals (and maybe they're playing with the yeast, as well).
     
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  11. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    I guess I missed that NBW thread, good review. I always get melon and berries from Mosaic hops, which is what is used for Yellow Rose. But that might just be me. Anyway, yeah. probably not a perfect example for this "sub style" but there is enough here to make it a bit different than a lot of other IPA's, so it goes in the in between style for me, thats all I know :slight_smile:
     
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  12. LeinenkugelDrinker

    LeinenkugelDrinker Pooh-Bah (2,171) Feb 14, 2023 Nevada
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    Marketing ploy…
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Because they came up with a bright idea!?! :thinking_face:

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    Cheers!
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Would you be 'inspired' to try this beer if it was available for you to purchase?

    Cheers!
     
  15. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    but they used modern hops! Surely developed in England... right? Surely not varieties also developed in the pnw...right?
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  17. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Well, how bout that, my most recent review on BA would fit better than Yellow Rose.

    Another local to me, Great Heights, called Serenity by Chan (backstory, Chan owns a Vietnamese restaurant, plus beer bar that is really good in town, they collaborated on this).

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    My review:

    Pours a clear golden/yellow color. A one finger white head forms and recedes quickly. Light lace is left behind.
    Aroma is a mix of pine, citrus, and juicer fruits like melon. Along with a "dank" character. Very aromatic and nice.
    Taste wise, follows the nose, as this mixes all the pine, citrus, dank, and juicy melon characters. There is a light cracker malt character, and a nice lingering bitterness.
    A medium to full body. Crisp carbonation, with a light semi sweet character from the fruity hops. Though because of the bitterness, finishes dry. A good IPA to drink, I can come back to this one easily.

    There is a mix of a lot of hops here, Columbus, Citra Cryo, Chinook Cryo, Motueka, & HS Sitiva hops, and it all comes together nicely. With some classic bitterness, but also new age hops that gives a bit more fruitiness. Well done.

    I gave it a 3.99, which is a nice score for me. I enjoy the mixing of new and old hops. I don't know if we need yet another sub style, but hey what do I know :slight_smile:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/50326/634592/?ba=champ103#lists
     
  18. LeinenkugelDrinker

    LeinenkugelDrinker Pooh-Bah (2,171) Feb 14, 2023 Nevada
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    If it were the best sounding beer at the store I would give it a shot. However, when I go beer shopping I am usually inundated by so many different IPAs that new ones really struggle to stand out to me. I enjoy trying new brews but very few top my old favorites, and this is especially true when it comes to IPAs.
     
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  19. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Nice, I'm always a Saint Arnold fan, but yeah I never knew why they have waffled back and forth on that being a "Pils" or "Helles" but I guess it was originally called Pils and they aren't going to change. That is also one of their best selling offerings of the year so I don't think they wanted to mess with the name.
     
  20. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    This. It’s just an American (modern hops) IPA vs the West Coast IPA with traditional hops.
    good call. That is a great example of an American IPA https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1151/57633/
     
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