Poll: WCIPA vs. NEIPA

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Orca, Jun 9, 2024.

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If you could have only WCIPA or NEIPA for the rest of your life, which would you choose?

  1. WCIPA

    189 vote(s)
    79.7%
  2. NEIPA

    48 vote(s)
    20.3%
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  1. DavetotheB

    DavetotheB Grand Pooh-Bah (4,241) Sep 30, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    As if we'd try to classify The Alchemist. But, yeah, insert name of world class NEIPA brewer (my sample size with Fidens is exactly zero). And honestly, I'd put Tree House waaaay above OH and Trillium. I generally steer clear of NEIPAs that aren't in the "world class" category-as in, if you or a few others on here recommended a NEIPA, I'd roll with that. With TH I know what I'm getting into and I'm rarely disappointed.
     
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  2. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Like others have noted, I've made my choice and lived with it for some years now. I think the last time I consciously bought a neipa was when trillium showed up in town and I felt compelled to overpay for a single can because I'm a moron beer enthusiast.

    It was fine. I'd probably have enjoyed a Pliny more.

    It comes down to drinkability for me. Even the best neipas I've had would be hard for me to drink even 2 pints of in a sitting. A good West Coast IPA is dangerously refreshing by comparison.
     
  3. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I wager the numbers would be opposite.
     
  4. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    As a sociological (or perhaps psychological) matter I find these results, and the results of the poll by @LeinenkugelDrinker on container format size, fascinating. That poll, which emerged out of a separate discussion (starting about here) about the popularity of the 16oz can format, found that among BAs at least, the 12oz container is substantially more popular than 16oz cans (12oz cans/bottles currently taking 59.3% of the vote compared to 26.1% for 16oz cans). In this poll we learn that by a margin of more than 5 to 1 we prefer WCIPAs over NEIPAs, even though NEIPAs are probably more common (at least in some parts of the country—I established here that in the PNW, and probably up and down the entire West Coast, hazies probably never established the dominance they have elsewhere, and are still out-produced by WCIPAs 3 to 1).

    So what does all this say about us? For both container size/format and IPA substyle we have constants that don’t change—container volumes are fixed units of measure and WCIPAs/NEIPAs haven’t changed all that much. So that indicates the change is in us—and either breweries are wrong about what consumers actually want, or beer drinkers are a fickle group (not a novel assertion), or maybe a bit of both. But it seems to be the case that, according to these polls anyway, most of us would prefer to see more WCIPAs in 12oz containers instead of NEIPAs in 16oz cans—and yet the opposite is probably at least as common/popular. Not sure what to make of all of it but I find it pretty interesting.
     
  5. meanmutt

    meanmutt Grand Pooh-Bah (3,883) Feb 6, 2012 Ohio
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  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The decision would have been tougher, but after some confliction, the answer would still be West Coast.
     
  7. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I wager the explanation for both is that craft nerds, and especially us BAs, are nostalgic for the early craft days. Our votes, both in this poll and the container size poll, likely reflect a sense of what we miss or what we once had. If 12 oz. bottles of WCIPAs were all of a sudden everywhere we'd likely get BAs complaining about the "good ol days" of 16 oz four packs of hazies," ha.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I just posted the below in the Overrated Hazy IPA thread:

    I enjoy a high quality Juicy/Hazy IPA from time to time but after drinking one I have zero desire to drink a second one, but that one beer was tasty.

    When I drink a Fat Heads Head Hunter IPA after one beer I really desire to drink a second. :beers:

    Cheers!
     
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  9. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I think the main thing it says is that active BA forum users are not representative of any significant portion of the beer market.

    A brewery that built it's business model around catering to us has better have a plan for widespread shipping options and/or plan to stay quite small.

    I also think that in both these polls our collective expectations represent a lot about the niche stores we shop in. NEIPA and pint cans definitely seem dominant when I'm in a specialty beer store or even just a local grocery that has a very good beer selection. But 12 oz packages are undoubtedly the dominant package size overall and I'd be surprised if hazy ipas had actually overtaken clear ipas in total sales nationwide. Though the merging/hybridization of the styles might make that hard to determine.
     
  10. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    NE IPAs, because a good sticky Black IPA will fulfill the need for a resinous, sticky, bitter IPA.
     
  11. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Surely you aren’t suggesting that breweries are not actively scouring these forums to unlock crucial market data to better cater to their customer base. That would imply that we are all just wasting our time shouting into a bottomless abyss.
     
  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    When I open my brewery that's my business plan. It will be nothing but 90s style caramel malt and cascade ipas and roggenbier. All served via side pull.
     
  13. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    Sums it up for me!!!
     
  14. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    Suicide.

    I choose suicide.
     
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  15. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Between those two I'll take West Coast. There's more overall variety to the flavor profile. Plus, quite frankly, people toss anything into that category that isn't hazy. As long as La Cumbre Elevated counts, give me that vs. pretty much anything.
     
  16. lordofthewiens

    lordofthewiens Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,225) Sep 17, 2005 New Mexico
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    Easy answer for me. Left coast all the way.
     
  17. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    That is one of the few beers from 'away' that I'd love to see show up in my neck of the woods.
     
  18. tinoynk

    tinoynk Pundit (800) Sep 25, 2010 New York
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    I love a good traditional American IPA as much as anybody, but the difference between a good one and an amazing one is just way more subtle than with hazy/NEIPA. Which on one hand means you're less likely to get a bad one, but the difference between a mediocre NEIPA and a great one is a much more noticable to me, and for that reason I feel like there's just more variety within the overall banner.

    Especially if that gets you something like Cellarmaker, whose IPA seem mostly pretty much 100% opaque, but make a point of carrying over substantial bitterness from traditional American IPA that really makes it feel like a west coast/NEIPA hybrid. I mean not every single hazy IPA is super sweet like Fidens/Equilibrium, there's plenty of gradations within the substyle, and to me it's to more of a degree than in west coast IPA.
     
  19. deanzaZZR

    deanzaZZR Maven (1,347) Jan 8, 2015 California

    I live on the West Coast. I grew up drinking West Coast IPAs. The choice is clear and delicious!
     
  20. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    I see what you did there....
     
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