How to make 3,000 year old beer

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  1. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    How many of us have yeast from 850 BC just lying around?


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/science/ancient-egyptian-beer-yeast.html?unlocked_article_code=1.1E0.jmS8.HRtZqFC2Vax_&smid=url-share


    Some observations:

    This beer sounds amazing. And a fun adventure. But if you’re expecting an actual recipe you’re going to be disappointed.

    Dr. Hopwood is a great name to have if you’re a scholar of ancient beer.

    Archival Brewing has been on my list for a while. This is a good reminder.

    Some of those remedies sound pretty wild, by the way.

    Astute readers might also note the claim about how people drank beer because the water was unsafe. I’ve read accounts refuting this assertion.
     
  2. ZebulonXZogg

    ZebulonXZogg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,142) May 5, 2015 Illinois
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    It's 88° here. If I was sitting where I am now 3000 years ago I don't know if I'd want a beer at room temperature.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I've been aware of Archival but haven't been in the area recently for a pub crawl. I'll have to give them a bit more priority.
     
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  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    No grains, just fruit and honey as fermentables + seasonings/herbs. That's a very broad definition of "beer" he's using.

    Yeah, lot's of sources disputing the myth, which probably was true in certain areas.
    Drinking In Colonial America: Stay Away From the Water, Right?
    The myth of Medieval Small Beer
     
  5. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    He apparently did start with grains: "For base grains, he chose purple Egyptian barley and emmer wheat." Then he added the aforementioned er... adjuncts.
     
  6. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    Archival Brewing is exactly the kind of brewery that I find most appealing: the brewers study the history of beer, appreciating it in its many varieties, and reproduce it using small scale methods (amphorae, for example). If we must use the term "craft beer" it would be most appropriate in this context. I certainly wish there were more breweries like this in the US, and it sure would be nice to find one here in the Denver area.
     
  7. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    A 3000 year old beer is perfect for Celluary.
     
  8. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Simple, make a beer and then wait 3000 years
     
  9. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    Or make a 6,000 year old beer but sample it at the midpoint?
     
  10. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    “It’s made to style, however the hops have clearly faded by now.”
     
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  11. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    If I wanted 3,000-year-old beer, I'd just go to Total Wine and buy it.
     
  12. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I love the idea of historic beers, especially when there is possibility to use the same yeast, and ingredients at least faithfully recreated, to do it. I tried only one, the DFH one, Midas Touch, and enjoyed it, but really wish to try them all, so interesting.

    And re: the myth about beer being consumed instead of water for health, may I add this? It was true both that the water could get you sick, and that drinking beer didn't give you the same sickness. Both of these truths are certain to have been noticed as "things" by some cultures These are people who already knew many medicinal and toxic things in their lives and surroundings. I have no historic references to cite, just common sense
     
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  13. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    I've never quite understood the "beer instead of water because the water is contaminated" thing. Isn't beer a diuretic? It takes more water out of the system than it puts in. So how do you survive by drinking it?
     
  14. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    I mean survive by drinking only beer, of course. But only beer means you're perpetually woozy and dehydrated.
     
  15. VodkaPong87

    VodkaPong87 Pooh-Bah (2,060) Oct 9, 2020 Connecticut
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    Had a 3,000 year old Bigfoot last night. Excedrine cannot abolish this hangover
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Oops :grimacing: - guess I shouldn't have stopped reading at "black cumin and frankincense".
    "I think it's 3000 years old, but the damn "Bottled on" date is in Roman numerals!"
     
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  17. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    Or just drink a mass-produced beer, I am sure they taste the same :slight_smile:
     
  18. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I have had dysentery and comparing the liquid lost from dysentery to the peeing I do from beer drinking is like comparing emptying out a pool to spilling a bit of extra water from a bucket. I suggest folks were smart enough back then to notice that the water got them sick and sometimes killed them, and it is reasonable to think they also noticed things they could drink that didn't get them sick and sometimes kill them. I mean, beer drinking hardly needs more incentive than it tastes good and makes you buzzed, but if it also is safer to drink than pond water? Just sayin'
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Most of the beer consumed 'back in the day' were low alcohol beers (sometimes referred to as Small Beer). I can't recall where the specific 'break point' is but somewhere around 2.x% ABV the beer would not have a diuretic effect.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is an old saying which we brewers often say: brewers make wort, yeast makes beer!

    Below is a related video which provides more details about the yeast they found and isolated/propagated from the archeological dig at Tel Tzafit, from the pottery beer jug.

    Cheers!

     
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