Munich Helles lagers and Vollbier Helles lagers?

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  1. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Question for the super lager nerds out there.

    I came across a “Helles Vollbier” from Mahr’s Brau in Bamberg, Germany (which I didn’t buy it cuz of freshness concerns). I’m wondering, how would this compare to a Munich Helles lager. Is Helles Vollbier an established style in Germany distinct from Munich/München helles lager? My guess would be that no, it’s just the way German brewers outside Munich call their beers which resemble Munich helles lagers, but for which they can’t legally use the term “Munich” (München) as they’re not based in Munich.

    Anyways, lager nerds, please enlighten me (if you dare to possess such knowledge)…
     
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  2. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    (Side note: “Vollbier” translates literally as “full beer”, which I think refers to the body. Which I think means the brewer is trying to distinguish it from lighter body lagers like Pils by saying it has a decent maltiness to it. Which, in turn, would basically put it in Munich Helles territory.)
     
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  3. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    (Side question/curiosity: are Mahrs Bräu beers available in the US? All the craft beer establishments in Spain, where I’ve been living for a while now, sell them as the German “small craft” alternative to the bigger established German brewers like Weihanstephaner, Ayinger, etc)
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Vollbier is just a strength designation:

    “Vollbiers (translated "full beers") have an extract value of 11-15.9%. These beers usually have between 3 and 5.3% alcohol by volume. This beer category accounts for 99% market share of the German beer industry.”

    https://www.germanfoodguide.com/beer-class.cfm
    Those beers are not available in my area. As to the remainder of the US?

    Cheers!
     
  5. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Ok, so “Vollbier” is a legal definition rather than merely a term/adjective by the brewer to describe a style. Solid starting point. Thanks!

     
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  6. dajjorg

    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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    Was able to find more info on this via the Beerwanderers blog/website (US expat living in Germany):

    https://www.beerwanderers.com/2020/06/helles/

    In the last paragraph of the article:

    Mahrs Helles [the beer I posted about] is quite good as is Staffelberg-Bräu Helles. Both of the latter add Vollbier to their names but more on that below. I find both of them to be truly Munich-like Helles.

    Seems to me that any beer labeled Vollbier Helles is probably gonna have a flavor profile similar to a Munich Helles, based on this.
     
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  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    https://mahrsusa.com/
    Early BA thread on the topic https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/mahrs-usa.676325/ which does note that the brand was previously imported by the now defunct Shelton Bros.
     
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    dajjorg Aspirant (264) Jan 13, 2019 Spain
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  9. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    You can always count on @JackHorzempa to bring some great info to the thread! Cheers!
     
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  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Rich does great beer hikes. We've done 3, recommended.
     
  11. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    And just like that, the #WhatTheHelles movement was born
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is that hashtag-speak again!?!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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  13. yester

    yester Aspirant (224) Apr 30, 2013 Netherlands

    No, not necessarily. Vollbier is just a legal strength designation as mentioned earlier - Hell/Helles vaguely refers to the pale nature of the beer. Especially in Franconia you'll find quite a few pale lagers, some of them using the term Helles/Vollbier/Helles Vollbier that differing to Munich Helles will be unfiltered, at times far more maltier, or hoppier, or sweeter. Germany terminology is process-driven (therefore allowing for wide range of results) rather than describing narrow flavour characteristics most US style designations do.
     
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  14. REVZEB

    REVZEB Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,686) Mar 28, 2013 Illinois
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    #join #the #movement! #lol
     
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  15. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I'm generalizing, but I've found that German beer doesn't follow the same naming/style conventions as we currently do in the US. They aren't quite as fast and loose as the Belgians, but they mostly seem to define things by strength and color. At least minus a few styles that have a clearly defined name like pils or Koelsch. The color stuff is mostly pretty straightforward (light, dark, gold, black, etc.) but strength is where a lot of terms can cross paths or just straight-up mean the same things. Export, spezial, starkbier, bockbier, vollbier, schankbier, Maerzen, so forth and so on.
     
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  16. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Most of those terms are well-defined. Starkbier, Vollbier and Schankbier a tax classifications. Maerzen is 13-14 Plato.Bockbier is 16-18 Plato. Export and Spezial are vaguer, but at one time would have been 13-13.5 Plato.
     
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