Why do breweries close?

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Needless to say, but the ‘answer’ is: for a myriad of reasons.

    Below is a video from Andy Martinec of Tanglefoot Brewing which details his reasons for deciding to close his brewery: Tanglefoot Brewing.

    I have exchanged a number of emails with Andy, watched a number of his video podcasts, etc. and FWIW I am convinced he produces high quality beers (e.g., Czech Lagers). But as you will hear Andy discuss, in order to have a viable/profitable brewery business there is more than “just the beer” which makes a business a success.

    I am saddened to listen that he will be closing. I was hoping to make a stop at the brewery in Temple, TX the next time I traveled to Texas to visit family and friends but this is now a situation of overcome by events (unless he contract brews Tanglefoot beers in the near future?).

    I appreciate that Andy took the time to discuss things here since all too often when a brewery closed there is just a short release which all too often reads like corporate speak (e.g., like a corporation releases after they fire some executive but state that person is leaving to spend more time with their family).

    Tanglefoot is closing to large measure due to not meeting revenue objectives but there are other reasons more personal to Andy.

    Hopefully other BAs might want to watch to learn more about the craft beer industry and why it is such a tough/challenging business to be in these days.

    Cheers!

     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As mentioned in the OP:

    “Tanglefoot is closing to large measure due to not meeting revenue objectives but there are other reasons…”

    Yes, money is an issue but as stated above “there are other reasons” too.

    Cheers!
     
  4. runbirddrinkbeer

    runbirddrinkbeer Pooh-Bah (1,722) Oct 24, 2009 Florida
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    Thanks for sharing this. Raw emotions. A bit tough to listen to, he’s definitely proud of what he did accomplish, and chagrined about the declining sales. It sounds like when the adjoining barbecue business went out the foot traffic dropped. Location, location, location said somebody other than me.
    The market correction in the beer industry is going on just about everywhere. Even Germany, lol.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. AZgman

    AZgman Pooh-Bah (1,858) Dec 22, 2011 Arizona
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    I think he is making the right decision. I also hope he does not give up, takes some time to reflect and reengineer for his next try.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There was some discussion that a consideration it to contract brew and distribute his beers. This might be a good 'answer' but his discussion that the distributed beer business is a low margin business may present challenges.

    Are you aware of any smaller/local brewing businesses that operate as contract brewers which solely distribute their beers? If so, how long have they sustained their business?

    Perhaps an idea: There is a small, local craft brewery near me Locust Lane Brewing which sells via their taproom but also packages their beers (I can buy cans at my local supermarket) and recently a local restaurant/beer bar now serves a half-dozen (maybe more?) of the Locust Lane beers on tap at their location. I am uncertain how this business partnership occurred but it is like Locust Lane has a second draft outlet for their lineup of beers without the expense of opening a second facitlity. Of course they need to share the profits of those beer sales.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    I watched part of the video. Sad to see someone without deep pockets get shut out.
     
  9. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I really felt bad for the businesses that had built up their customer base and also business neighboring with Metropolitan when they closed. The location was an incubator for such symbiotic relationships.
     
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  10. Hockeyguy

    Hockeyguy Aspirant (243) Jul 9, 2021 Texas

    Reminds me of a local restaurant owned by a very talented chef. He took a location that had been home to many failed ventures, but failure was NOT due to the actual location. He started quietly, doing great food at reasonable prices, especially for the level of cuisine. Could have charged much more being in a DFW suburb. Word got out, people started coming, then kept coming and bringing friends and family. After about 1 1/2 years there was suddenly a very heartfelt letter posted on the door. Expressing his heartfelt appreciation to everyone who supported him, but the restaurant was taking too much of a toll on his family life. He chose what was most important.

    You just never know what the "other reasons" might be.
     
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  11. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    That's gutsy opening a brewpub less than 10 miles, and just down the road, from a major competitor with a great taproom and huge name recognition (in the Northeast at least: Victory-Downingtown is less than 10 miles from Locust Lane). So location is important, but it's not everything.
     
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Over a decade before YouTube went online, the late, great John Prine wrote a song about it QUIT HOLLERIN' AT ME
     
  13. PolskaKielbasia

    PolskaKielbasia Zealot (509) Dec 24, 2018 Minnesota

    I know a couple that opened and closed a brewery. At their peak they were making $40k/yr after all was said and done, and they had a brewery that had great traffic. The wife still kept working as a part-time lawyer so they at least had health insurance.

    Had they been taking home $200k/yr, they'd hold on as long as possible, at the very least could sell it to another owner.

    So, it's probably still about the money.
     
  14. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    What else? People with limited means, like the ones you reference, just want to make a real living, but can leave with nothing, possibly less than they invested. People with real money invest in brewing to make more money or have fun or both. They won't get much enjoyment out of the business if it means a lot of work and loses money anyway.
     
  15. md3kcn

    md3kcn Savant (1,130) Feb 4, 2021 North Carolina
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    Razor-thin margins aren't for everyone. There's also the stress involved, plus the constant need to adjust to the tastes of the market - or the massive cost of taking the risk of being the trendsetter for new or forgotten styles.
     
  16. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    There’s going to be a lot of breweries closing as we all can forecast, but I hope that the breweries bringing in a lot of foot traffic to a tap room or have owners with deep financial pockets but make bad beer can hire (at least part time) better brewmasters from the various failed breweries that pumped out quality beer. Discussing local breweries around the DMV area and stretching out into rural areas, it seems proximitely to affluent areas can be equal or more important to large population areas with middle/lower class folks. If you have to sell $8 house lagers to break even (which I find as almost the norm anymore), that 2 hrs out to have a few beers with my significant other can end up costing as much as a nice steak dinner (well a nice steak dinner from 5 years ago anyway). People just scraping by week to week aren’t going to be visiting regularly nor buying those $20 4 packs to go either.
     
  17. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    Jack, your engagement farming is reaching new heights. The 'answer' is: for myriad reasons. Haha.

    But seriously, you must know a couple answers to this, no? Alex, I'll take xyz for $500.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Some answers:

    Owners decide to retire.

    Some owners try to sell their businesses but can’t find buyers.

    Some owners experience legal problems and then decide to close.

    Some owners have landlord issues which can’t be resolved.

    Some owners…
     
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  19. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    There's a lot that you have to put in as the owner of any small business, much less one as tightly regulated as a brewery. If you aren't having fun and aren't making money, well, what else are you supposed to do?
     
  20. MeanDean515

    MeanDean515 Initiate (62) Jun 4, 2024 Iowa
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    Andy is a very likable person. Although I've never had the pleasure of trying his beers he chose a niche style in a small town. Although I generally enjoy Czech style beers it's a doomed business model from the start. Yes, most breweries now also have food but I can name multiple breweries near me that thrive without food offerings beyond scheduled food trucks. I have yet to see a brewery close that offers exceptional beer for their area. I wish Andy the best and hope to visit a Tanglefoot Brewery someday.
     
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