Should Best By Dates Be Standardized?

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  1. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    Or at the very least limited to a particular scope of time based on a specific style of beer. Whats there to stop breweries from giving an IPA a year out best by date?

    Sixpoint at one point years ago gave Resin a 9 month out best by date which is ridiculous.

    Should there be some sort of guidelines or standards breweries need to follow for best by dates or should it remain solely up to the discretion of the brewer?
     
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  2. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Standardized production date would suffice.

    There...I've thrown a log on that particular fire... I still believe that few breweries have the time, interest, or resources to actually determine shelf life and just take a stab based in what the style should be able to withstand. Far too many real world variables for that to be more than a bona fide WAG. So just tell me when it was packaged and I'll figure out if I want to drink it.

    That from someone who has way too much beer in the pantry - some that has outlived the brewery by a long shot.

    TL:grinning:R - whatever is used should follow an established, consistent format.
     
  3. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    I think the canning/bottling date code should be clearly marked, and easy to read. Then the consumer is responsible for voting with their wallet for how fresh/old they want to drink.
     
  4. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    Good Point about there being to many variables and factors, refrigeration being a key player. I guess its more complicated then just suggesting and IPA should not be given more then 6 months out best by date for example.
     
  5. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I'm okay with it as long as the breweries voluntarily agree. I'm not okay with forcing them.
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I would like to see a date on all beers, but I'm not so sure that stouts, porters, barrel-aged beers, etc. need to be included. Hoppy beers for sure.

    And to take it a step further, as much as I'd like to say that a Packaged-on date or a Brewed-on date is preferred so I can decide if it's fresh enough for me, I'm going to suggest that a Best-by date is more acceptable. Yes, we would have to gain trust that the brewer is being fair with that estimate, but there can be circumstances unknown to me that are important in setting that date.

    For example, Bell's sets a 90-day Best-by date on HopSlam, and that's a valid limitation. Purchasers might buy that beer at 5 months of age if a Packaged-on date was stamped on the can, and they think they're getting it fresh enough, but then are disappointed, never to buy that beer again. (I think it's still a very good beer at 5 months, but nothing like the experience in the first 90 days.) Bell's certainly wants everyone to enjoy that beer to the max, and their trusted approach to setting that date leaves them with a happy customer who is likely to buy more Bell's beers.

    So there are variables that create pluses and minuses for each date style, but if brewers can gain the trust of us consumers, they know best how long their beers stay good.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My ‘vote’ would be both a packaged on date and a suggested best by date.

    If the brewery only want to place ink for one date then a packaged on date is the best answer.

    Cheers!
     
  8. dele

    dele Zealot (614) Mar 13, 2019 Massachusetts

    I much prefer brewed-on dates to best-by dates. That allows me to make my own informed decision about whether the product is worth buying based on its age and how it appears to have been stored.

    Best-by dates don't give me enough information to make that same informed decision. For this reason, when I see that a hoppy beer has a best-by date instead of a brewed-on date, I don't buy that product.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I story about dates:

    I am in Lake Placid with friends (three couples total) and my buddy Art picked a 15 pack (variety pack) of Sixpoint beer at the local supermarket. I poured a can of Crisp into a glass and after just one sip I knew something was amiss. I turned over the can to see a best by date in July. I showed him the can’s date and his response was “I don’t look at dates”. After a few minutes he said “I am returning these beers”. He was able to return the beers and come back with a fresher pack. I suppose this is a situation where best by dates could be an advantage?

    Cheers!
     
  10. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    We never had this problem when growlers were ubiquitous…

    I want to know how old the beer is and will make my own choice as to whether it is within my tolerances for freshness for a particular style, brand, etc.
     
  11. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    It absolutely should be standardized, but I would peg it as "bottled on" dates as opposed to "best buy."

    How that would be enforced is beyond me.
     
  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I'd love to see some form of date standardization for a packaged on date (forget best by, but that could be an optional secondary date), but adoption and enforcement would need to happen (low-priority and yet another cost for everyone involved, that'll ultimately be passed to consumers).

    Then there's the extra pressure that this will put on brewers, distributors, and retailers once the beer is out in the wild (more cost and loss that'll ultimately be passed to consumers).

    And then you need to consider this on a global scale how it would impact imports that don't comply. Would they not be allowed? Would the importer be responsible for applying a secondary label?

    It's a can of worms that few want to open.
     
  13. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Speaking of which, when are they going to put a canning date on those worms?
     
  14. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    Sure its a can of worms I agree but we really do need a form of date standardization with beers in particular. Out of "most" alcoholic beverages beer is the one in which the date matters the most. Even for "Age-able" beers, you still would need a clear reference point to indicate the vintage of the beer. But lets be honest here. With a few style exceptions, "most" beer is best drank fresh and refrigerated.
     
  15. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    And while I agree with you, thats the consumers point of view. You also have to consider the sellers point of view. It gets complicated for sure.
     
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  16. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I wish that the Brewers Association would set out a best practices guide for package dating and then make a label icon (like the certified independent one) that brewers could use.
     
  17. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Absolutely YES. Print when it was canned/bottled. No BEST BUY BS.
     
  18. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    But I agree with this too.
     
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  19. DogbiteWilliams

    DogbiteWilliams Zealot (647) Mar 28, 2015 California

    Displaying the canned/bottled date in a standardized form should be mandatory.

    This website could include the expected shelf life (with a span of a month or so) with the Beer Style summary page alongside the ABV and IBU.
     
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  20. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    It should be standardized, and that standard should be a "canned on" date. Clear and concise with no codes to hide old beers from less savvy costumers.

    If you center the standardization on the style, then brewers will alter what they name a style to play the game. With this logic, Avery's Hog Heaven "Barleywine Style Ale" would have a "best by" date further out from production than the rebranded "Imperial Red IPA" edition.
     
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