Should Best By Dates Be Standardized?

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  1. Hat_Fulla_Beer

    Hat_Fulla_Beer Savant (1,235) Dec 14, 2015 Canada (AB)

    It would be nice if brewers would just have a gentleman's agreement to put the bottling or canning date on their product without the government getting involved.
     
  2. billlang

    billlang Zealot (545) Jul 20, 2020 Pennsylvania
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    I think canned on date should be used, many food products have used by dating. How much this has cost the consumer I've yet to see data on this, it may exist but I have not run across it. I think the cost to the consumer is used as a scare tactic by industry. Put a canned date on the beer and let the buyer decide. Why must the consumer not benefit since in the end they are responsible for the success of the product.
     
  3. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Yes. If we all pull together it could become a reality. Brewers, distributors, retail, and consumers.
    It's not unlike reporting something to the city you live in. If one person keeps complaining about an issue, city gvmt will say "yeah yeah yeah it's just that one crabby person complaining". But when 2 or 3 separate entities lodge complaints about the same thing the city gets up off their asses and the issue gets into the gvmt machine so to speak. IMHO if retail and distribution entities heat things up re manufacturing and or expiration dates for beers, we could see a change. Hey a guy can dream! Right?!
     
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  4. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    And I "can dream" of a situation where a bunch of beer enthusiasts with a dream don't try to waste the government's time with such trivial stuff. :slight_smile: Especially in a case where the Brewer's Association would fight against it.
     
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  5. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    Sierria Nevada used to do this! On their website they would list the beer specs and a "Best enjoyed within X months/days of the Packaged on date". They no longer do this anymore. If I recall they had SNPA best enjoyed withing 150 days.
     
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  6. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Do you think the Brewers Association would be against it?
     
  7. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Seems like an impossible task since different breweries and beer styles have different shelf lives and your opinion might differ from the brewer's opinion.

    Personally, I'd just like to see everyone switch to a "packaged on" date so opinions won't matter as much.
     
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    ---- BEST PRACTICES GUIDE TO QUALITY CRAFT BEER
    Delivering Optimal Flavor to the Consumer

    BREWERS ASSOCIATION publication pdf (Undated)
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    They represent the interests of the brewing companies, and I think one can assume that forcing companies to universally adopt something would be seen as a negative. There's a reason why this thread exists in the first place.
     
  10. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I don't think it would be a hassle for companies that already do it.
     
  11. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    The label dating technology isn't free and it seems like there's a pretty wide quality range out there. All of the breweries that aren't currently doing it (seems like it's probably most breweries still not dating their packages) obviously don't want to take on that expense
     
  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    :thinking_face: It's hard to argue against that logic. :wink::slight_smile:

    Regulation that would force brewing companies that don't date (or clearly date for consumers) their product to change their practices... yeah, there will be plenty of serious resistance.

    Going back to the OP:
    Regulation that would force a large brewing company to date their national IPAs with the same best by timeframe as a local small brewer... yeah, there will be plenty of serious resistance.

    Ditto for Bud Light and a craft lager using the same best by timeframe... or Guinness Draught and a craft imperial stout (but imports and exports are different cans of worms too).


    I don't know how much truth there was to this, but I once heard that Belgium had some regulation requiring all beer to have a best by date. That led to brewers simply coming up with whatever they wanted to measured in years. This might be false info, but I even heard of a brewer using his birthday for best by dates.

    I'd just be happy if date stamps were consistently legible. :slight_smile: I know I'm a cynic, but if brewing companies can't even get that right in this process...
     
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  13. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    I understand. There must be a simple way, esp for really small breweries that don't have a large facility. I do see complexities with it all. It's an added task/cost really. We need our Thinkers. C'mon Thinkers. Sort this shit out! :beers:
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Color code the pale beers by month with a harmless dye and the year of brewing gets printed on the label? :stuck_out_tongue:That would really throw tradition for a loop!
     
  15. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Things could get pretty avant-garde...!
    My new book: The Art Of Dating Your Beer
     
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  16. DEdesings57

    DEdesings57 Pooh-Bah (2,556) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
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    I have seen tons of very small breweries by me that dont have the money for the proper equipment use price stickers on-top on the plastic holder for the cans with the date info on it. Where theres a will theres a way.
     
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  17. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    A few points...

    1. Dating is probably not required because drinking old/expired beer can't kill you/make you sick like eating old meat/milk. Sure, it sucks, but it won't kill you. Because PH/presence of alcohol etc.
    2. Would honestly rather see born on vs best by.
    3. As far as standardization... I honestly prefer Julian vs a month day year or day month year. But, as far as Julian, what's the standard? I'm used to DDDY but have also seen YDDD.
    4. And law enacting beer dating should be named in honor of Greg Puckett
     
  18. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Here's one: Many bakeries use different colored twist-ties for loaves of bread that indicate what day of the week things were baked & delivered. Some ties even have the day printed on the plastic coating.
     
  19. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Well, looks like I just got rained out. Dammit. Good thing I haven't started yet. Ha!! Murphy's Law rockin' the house. Time for a Yuengling Trad Lager. I'll be rolling some of it over the state line back into Non-Yuengling land in a couple weeks. Cheers!
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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Both the people wanting, and those in fear of, the government requiring dates on beer should note that, according to the USDA's own Food Product Dating website:

     
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