Beer with multiple volumes question

Idea Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by jonphisher, Nov 29, 2024.

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  1. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    If a brewery brews a beer with different volumes/editions that come out would it make sense to add one beer and then just add the volume and new ingredient to the notes list as they come out?

    As an example:

    Slow Saison Vol.1
    Slow Saison Vol. 2

    Here is the base beer description: Each Slow Saison volume begins with a Rabbit Hill Malthouse four grain saison base, brewed with lemon balm, yarrow, and blue spruce tips.

    What changes is the foraged ingredients that go in, so instead it could be added as one beer with the following notes:

    Vol. 3 just came out and had me thinking instead of adding can I just submit an update with the above quoted description? People could specify volume in review??

    Anyone have any thoughts because this can't be the only beer like this.
     
  2. FLBeerGuy

    FLBeerGuy Grand Pooh-Bah (3,028) Feb 6, 2007 Florida
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    I think each volume should be a separate entry. The reason being since each volume has different additions, each could have distinctly characteristics. Thus, the ratings could vary quite a bit, especially if a particular volume additions didn’t work out well.
     
  3. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    They should be separate entries if the recipe, barrel aging, or adjuncts change. Another problem is that some people won't specify the volume in their review, so some reviews might be mistaken for other volumes.
     
  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Yeah, there's lots of beers like this. Each one should be its own entry. Like with these brews from Garden Path, each is a different 'edition': https://gardenpathwa.square.site/shop/garden-path-fermentation/22
     
  5. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Yea, current practice does say to add as separate beers but I thought maybe it made sense to add as just one. I only say this because there are SO many beers with one, two reviews, never brewed again, and it got me thinking, what's the point in even adding and reviewing?

    I thought the above idea sort of justifies adding said beer a little more but I would proceed and add vol. 3 as a separate entry then. Thanks all.
     
  6. LiquidAmber

    LiquidAmber Grand Pooh-Bah (5,734) Feb 20, 2009 Washington
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    I agree with the above, but I do think that these also need at least a brief review if it is added. It looks odd and confusing for some breweries to have a whole lot of beers listed with 0 reviews. I think even one review shows that it wasn't something that was announced and perhaps never brewed/distributed.
     
  7. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I like this idea. Not sure if it's possible, but perhaps requiring a review (even short) when a new beer is listed would be nice.
     
  8. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    I see your point, but I have seen scenarios where a certain edition/vintage is aged in a different type of barrel and receives horrible reviews. This would then bring down the overall rating of a beer, despite other vintages being outstanding. I can imagine most people take a look at the score without reading every review, so they might not realize that it was just a specific year that was off.
     
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  9. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Whenever I add a beer that has something like "Vol. 2" or "No. 3" on the label I'll look it up on Untappd to see how it's listed. These listings are often added by the brewers, as are the descriptions. They're often added as soon as the beers are available.
     
  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Used to work this way a long time ago and personally I hated it - sometimes I wanted to list the beer in my Gots list but hadn’t reviewed it yet.
     
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  11. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    I come at this a different way. Seeing the range of beers a brewery makes can help give a sense of what they do. Even without reviews for everything.
    Also will give a hit for someone searching for info about a beer
    It used to be required to review if adding, but that could result in a shorter DB of beers on the site.
     
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  12. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I like the idea of separate entries. Personally, I think this should extend to annual releases that spend time in barrel, since the barrels may vary or the quality or length of aging may differ between batches.

    Part of taking the time to review is to give consumers an idea for what they're buying. If the brewery has altered some meaningful component of that recipe and/or its aging process, it should be clearly acknowledged in the database for consumers.
     
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  13. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    That seems to be more a function of under utilizing BA's beer database by the general public. I'd rather see unique beers (i.e. different barrels, additives, etc.) listed separately for clarity rather than muddling up the information just to make it look more 'complete'. But would it really be complete or meaningful if each batch differed in production?

    This goes back to the first quote I replied to, but that's just a function of people not actively participating in the BA beer database. There is at least one mod (I think he's a mod) who has added numerous, maybe even hundred, beers in my area despite not reviewing / rating any of them. It at least kept the database more current as to what was available locally, and made the beers available for rating / review for users. Based on another on-going thread right now, a lot of users are finding themselves having to add beers to the database, so this at least removes some of that effort.
     
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