Why Your Pint is Getting Weaker

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  1. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I know some states restrict ABV, but do any tax based on ABV? Never heard of this happening here.
     
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, that article is discussing the UK market. In the US a few states have slightly different excise tax rates for beer based on alcohol content. Unfortunately, the Tax Foundation's list no longer specifies which ones, instead lumping them in with other state regulations (under the (d) footnote):
    Texas used to have different excise tax rates on "beer" defined as 4% abw or less) and "ale," when over 4% abw beer, ale and malt liquor was taxed at a slightly higher rate ($6.138/bbl. vs $6/bbl).
     
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    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I was on vacation in Scotland last summer and most all the beers at the pubs were <5% ABV. I was told by bartenders that they tax heavily on the higher ABV beers so many pubs stopped serving them. Was really looking for some Wee Heavy’s on tap but struck out.
     
  5. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I’m still waiting for the ABV inflation to come down in America so we have more 5% and under options.
     
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    LeinenkugelDrinker Pooh-Bah (2,171) Feb 14, 2023 Nevada
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    Why? Aren’t Miller Lite and Corona enough for you?
     
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    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Did you find a nice variety of local examples of scotch ale around or did you tend to see the same beers on tap as you travelled around?
     
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    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    That may apply to the majority of the beer-drinking public, but when the craft beer selection on tap still consists of a steady stream of IPAs (including imperial strength) ... yeah, a pint of Lunch or SoS is just as potent as ever. :wink:
     
  9. beershrine

    beershrine Pundit (819) May 29, 2004 Idaho

    I doubt alcohol tax would add 5 cents to any pint so there’s that.
     
  10. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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  11. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Edinburgh had some variety and a few incredible cask ale opinions like Timothy Talylor Landlord (but very crowded). I spent a lot of my time in more rurual towns in the western Highlands and Isle of Skye. Absolutely incredible trip. Found some scotch ale in bottles at a convienence store in Isle of Skye. Had some difficulty finding Orkney beers (like Skullsplitter). Wasn’t exactly a beer Mecca but you always had decent options most anywhere it seemed (and high quality Scotch Whisky was everywhere). Tenants Ale was everywhere (not very good though). I found Belhaven’s Best was fairly prevalent and that was my pub “go-to” option as it was pretty solid.
     
  12. zotzot

    zotzot Grand Pooh-Bah (5,182) Feb 22, 2015 Vermont
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    Interesting.
    I havseen this around here, but only drink high ABV craft beers anymore.
     
  13. MutuelsMark

    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!! :slight_smile:
     
  14. AzfromOz

    AzfromOz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,225) Aug 22, 2020 Australia
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    Australia has some of the highest beer excise rates in the world and, thus, some of the highest alcohol prices, which go up the higher the ABV and the larger the container. It also changes depending on the type of premises the beer is brewed on.

    I think the three categories ABV categories are <3%ABV, <3.5%ABV and >3.5%ABV, which, along with strict drink-driving laws, is one of the reasons why there's a thriving market for what we call mid-strength beer, which is generally 3.5%.

    For container size, it's <8L, <48L, and >48L.

    I'm not an excise lawyer (if that even exists), so don't quote me on the above. Regardless, craft beer is an expensive hobby in Oz! Every mouthful I take has a not-so-little sip from the government added to it.

    Cheers!
     
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    MutuelsMark Grand Pooh-Bah (5,787) Jan 23, 2015 Kentucky
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    So the typical beer (mid-strength) is only 3.5% ABV? :dizzy_face:
     
  16. LeinenkugelDrinker

    LeinenkugelDrinker Pooh-Bah (2,171) Feb 14, 2023 Nevada
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    Are beers with an ABV greater than 3.5% fairly uncommon? On average, how much does one serving of craft beer cost?

    Cheers :beers:
     
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    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    In UT we’re taxed an additional 15.875% tax on everything over 5%. All draft beer is 5% or less. Honestly it’s great. We have 2 beers of draft under 4%, and a plethora between 4 and 5%.
     
  18. AzfromOz

    AzfromOz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,225) Aug 22, 2020 Australia
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    Nope, not at all. However, it is an ABV strength that has grown in popularity in the last ten years. The best-selling beer in Australia is Great Northern Super Crisp, a 3.5% ABV mid-strength beer by one of the macro brewers. It offers nothing besides ease of drinking and inoffensive flavours, but that's what the mass market wants. In the 80 years before that, the traditional macros all sat around the 4.9% ABV mark.

    That said, almost every craft brewer has a very good mid-strength beer, usually hazy, using oats and yeast to provide the body and backbone that most lower-strength beers traditionally lacked.

    Cheers!
     
  19. AzfromOz

    AzfromOz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,225) Aug 22, 2020 Australia
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    I'm sorry, I should have included this post in my previous reply. As noted in that one, most beers are above 3.5%, but this mark is becoming increasingly popular due to its price point and Australia's strict drink-driving laws. You can generally drink one can of that strength per hour and still legally drive.

    As for prices, when I was young, in the 90s (sigh), I could buy a pot of beer (285ml or 9.6oz, the standard serve at the time where I lived in Australia) at a pub for AUD$1.60. Now, you'll be lucky not to pay AUD$15.00 (USD$9.38) for a standard macro pint (570ml, 19.2oz) at any pub in Australia.

    Everything was cheaper and stronger when I was young. I was also a better singer, dancer, fighter and lover...

    Cheers!
     
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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The US Federal Excise Tax on Beer is based on the size of the brewery's total yearly barrelage, and varies from $3.50 - $16 - $18 per barrel. So, yeah, between 2¢ and 8¢ per pint.

    Plus the state excise tax noted above "Rates range from as low as $0.02 per gallon in Wyoming to as high as $1.29 per gallon in Tennessee." So, divide those amounts by 8 for the pint rate.
     
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