What’s The Difference? Share Your Side By Side (2025)

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  1. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Ok, an interesting ending to the week has made me want to try to extend it into an interesting beginning of the weekend. And comparing beers interests me, so let's do a mini-vertical of western US old ale - Great Divide Hibernation from October 2024 and 2023.

    First, somewhat shocking difference is the color. The older beer is more amber (maybe a rusty dark brown) 2023 versus the definitively dark brown to mahogany to black 2024. Head behave fairly similar.
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    The older beer has what I'd call a more complex, maybe slightly richer nose - though I am debating if it is whatever mild oxidation that can occur in a beer is involved. Given the older beer isn't that aged... I would think that whatever yields the body color difference may be involved.

    So I dig in further with that thought guiding me and...

    It might not be oxidation, but I do feel it is the hop profile that is different. The older beer has a lighter, more spicy and floral vibe to it. The newer beer is a bit more citrusy atop a muted spicy hops; it also has a more malt coming through - and that malt seems to have a more chocolate roasted aspect relative to what I do get from the older beer.

    The older beer is lighter, with a perceived slightly more effervescent feel to it compared to the newer brew. It sounds funny to type, but the color of the beers seems to come through in the taste. That is to say, there's a more nutty grain flavor to the 2023 version than the, admittedly, somewhat acrid coffee note from the 2024 release.

    Lastly, there's a somewhat minty flavor to the contents poured from the newer can. The 2023 has a little more sweet tea vibe compared to the coffee of the 2024. If I had the 2023 from a brewery and they called it an American barley wine - I wouldn't argue too much. And if I am going to randomly give these beers styles other than what the brewer has given, I'd lean to giving the newer beer a wee heavy style (though definitely a more hopped "Ämerican" version).

    This might've been a bad decision. I am guessing I would've been fine with the latest version of Hibernation without a comparison. It tastes quite good. But in this sitting, compared to the 2023, it sits a notch, notch-plus below the beer next to it.

    I can't see the 2024 "becoming like" the 2023 - the makeup seems a bit different, for whatever reason. But I do wonder how it might evolve, and have a few of them to find out.


    So, I wrote this post's the preamble before getting into the beers. But this comparison was truly interesting - much more than expected.
     
  2. DavetotheB

    DavetotheB Grand Pooh-Bah (4,241) Sep 30, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks @cjgiant for this thread. Always enjoy these comparisons although I usually feel like I have no idea what I'm doing. Ha! Anyway, it's been a while since I've done a proper side-by-side, so might as well jump in the deep end with two world-class Lawson's Finest Liquids brews: Double Sunshine and Sip of Sunshine. Both clock in at 8% abv.

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    Stats: DS 16oz can dated 1/24/25, SoS 19.2oz can dated 1/23/25. Both poured into identical 20oz "pint" glasses.

    Appearance: Both orange in color and lightly hazy. DS is slightly lighter in color (you can’t tell it from the pic). Similar amounts of head, retention and lacing.

    Aroma: I’m not getting a ton on the nose from either beer which is probably a me thing. I remember the first can of DS I cracked getting a dank weediness. SoS probably trends more in the pine department. I do occasionally get the weedy aroma from SoS, but not every time.

    Taste: DS has a wet earth flavor leading the way followed by fresh cut grass and light pine with underlying citrus that becomes more evident and orangey with subsequent sips. SoS is more piney and resinous with some citrus. I definitely get more juice in DS but it’s far from a “juicy” beer.

    Feel: Both are full-bodied and sticky with SoS being stickier. Stickiness seems to fade somewhat on warming with DS giving a softer mouthfeel. Similar carbonation and bitter aftertastes. Dry finishes on both. DS is probably the more drinkable of the two but both are a joy to drink.

    Winner…This is a tough one but I think I’m going SoS. Ask me tomorrow and I might pick DS.
     
  3. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Do any of us really have a clue? I’m pretty sure I’m making it up as I go along, but with a thin veil of feigned confidence :grin:
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I think that the 'best' way to conduct a side-by-side tasting is to compare and contrast the two beers. IMO you did a very good job in your post discussing the differences of these two beers.

    Cheers!
     
  5. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Didn't take pictures cause I'm a bum and the lighting was terrible but I compared a couple of northern California dark lagers.

    The first was the reigning champ, the one and only, og and standard bearer of the San Francisco black lager, Moonlight brewing's Death and Taxes. And stepping onto the mat from the city itself was Laughing Monk brewing's Unholy Ghost black lager.

    The unholy ghost was canned late February while Death and Taxes was from the end of December. But I don't think it was ultimately an issue.

    Death and Taxes is a northern California classic. It's a deep dark beer, roasty malt on the nose and a wonderful hoppy bite paired with that roasted malt flavor defines the flavor. I've always thought this thing was an inspiration for the west coast black ipa. But it's super light bodied and clean.

    Unholy Ghost on the other hand is a wonderful dark lager on the style of what I've learned to expect from Czech style dark lagers. The flavor and aroma are both malt driven and they're more along the lines of dark bread and a touch of caramel. Super smooth and quaffable. A really enjoyable beer.

    What this comparison highlighted to me, ultimately, was how unique Death and Taxes is. With the rise of popularity of the Czech dark lager I feel like D&T had gotten a peripheral bump. But that beer is not a Czech style beer. For those who haven't had it, I'd liken it to a schwartzbier with an American hop approach. And the distinction is on full display when you put it up against the malt driven smoothness of the Czech style.

    Both great beers. I'd drink either again at the drop of the hat and I hope that Laughing Monk keeps theirs on my shelves.
     
  6. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    So I grabbed a newer batch of Dogfish Head 120 Minute yesterday. They had a 6-pack, or so I thought, of 2025 Sierra Nevada Bigfoot, so I almost grabbed that. Then I saw there were only 4 in the 6er, so I put it back, thinking I might have some at home.

    I did not.

    Then I channeled Aesop and figured, those 2025 were probably rotten, anyhow.

    Actually, having both 2024 and 2023 in the fridge, I decided to go with the two year old, figuring it might have mellowed more to better compare to fresh 120 Minute. Plus, I had one more bottle of 2023 than 2024.
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    So yes, these are officially different styles, and the darker, richer looking beer (Bigfoot) is likely to have some more toasted malts in it to accentuate that part of the beer - the barley. The heads built and fell remarkably similarly, thought there might be a slightly bit larger coverage from a sheen of bubbles on the SN beer.

    Bigfoot's nose is piney, earthy, and leathery compared to the more honey, apricot, and citrus aromas I get from DFH 120. On strength, Bigfoot is significantly more in my face than the fresher DFH, which is the biggest surprise here. This DFH 120 Minute is actually somewhat disappointing on the nose.

    Given the aroma power ratings, I decided to sip the 120 Minute first. Thankfully, the palate easily outperforms the smell of this beer. It starts slightly honey sweet with citrus and apricot notes, which give a relatively tart impression (i.e. it is not objectively acidic in any way). Bitterness comes on mid-palate, with orange rind, then pine wood and some earthiness. Even with that last aspect, this beer comes across as "light" in the flavor profile, though not necessarily in feel.

    Moving to Bigfoot, it starts on the ground, and seems to go even deeper. There's a tea-like opening, dark and with maybe a few flecks of citrus peel. Then the pine comes on, moving quickly from the wood to the green needles. The tea gets a squeezed-bag tannic note to it, becoming almost clay-like as the bitterness just continues to build.

    Bigfoot is a bit thicker beer, by a little bit. It roughs up the palate a bit, leaving the sensation of lingering longer than the 120 Minute. The DFH beer does stick to the palate, but more delicately, leaving an orange blossom honey flavor for a couple seconds before evaporating. Going back and forth, I would argue the flavor of DFH lingers longer, but the experience of Bigfoot is felt a bit longer, if that makes any sense.

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    I tried a technique we use over in the Beyond Beer forum when pairing whiskey with beer - trying one right after another to see if a new experience (for better or worse) can be achieved, without actually combining them.

    Doing Bigfoot before DFH unsurprisingly highlights the sweeter components of the IPA. The interesting thing here is that the Bigfoot takes a break while the DFH comes in, says its peace, and then leaves, leaving the earthy/piney bitterness of the Bigfoot in the linger.

    Having 120 Minute before Bigfoot seems to accentuate the earthy tannins of the barley wine. Bigfoot stomps on wherever the 120 was going, but I feel like the sweet orange notes of the DFH beer sneak back into the mix late, smoothing the edges of the bitterness ever so slightly.

    I like having a sip of Bigfoot before DFH of these two options. Unfortunately, cracking two big beers to get this experience on the regular is not a good idea - for health of the pocket book. Luckily both beers are very good.

    Oh, and if I knew what I learned with this little experiment beforehand, and wanted to pick one of these beers to sip this early afternoon, I would have chosen the 120 Minute. The longevity of Bigfoot continues to amaze me, however, and if I was looking for more bitterness, the choice would easily be Bigfoot.
     
  7. Reef

    Reef Pooh-Bah (2,613) Dec 2, 2016 South Carolina
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    Finally had the opportunity to compare Michelob Amber Bock and Karbach Ziegenbock, both AB- Inbev dark lagers. Michelob brewed in St. Louis, Karbach "in Texas".
    Both dark brown color, small head.
    Michelob has no aroma; Karbach has scant malt and bread aroma.
    Michelob flavor is bread, grass, light nuts, slightly bitter. Karbach is sweeter, brown bread, toffee, not bitter.
    I give the edge to Karbach which I enjoy, over Amber Bock.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe next up is Shiner Bock vs. Ziegenbock?

    Cheers!

    P.S. I still have a half-dozen cans left of my recent purchase of a Genny Bock 12-pack. FWIW this is my favorite American Bock beer.
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The last time I had the Michelob amber bock it seemed meek and mild compared to what I think it used to be.
     
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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Ok, today doing a bit of a weird one, I guess it could be called a brewer mini-pseudo-horizontal. But whatever. I have two Jack's Abby beers, both Czech styles, both having similar names, but one dark and one pale - Bohemian Dawn and Dusk.

    I mainly wanted to see if I could find a connection between the two other than the name. These aren't the freshest beers, but they're not dragging a bum hip, either. I think the Dusk is a bit older (edit: JA website says October vs February releases, so, yeah), and also an edit:
    Hope I can remember which beer is in which glass...
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    First off, the dark produced a nicer head, and one that lasted longer. On the nose, the pale Bohemian Dawn has a mildly stale bread background upon which a grassy-like hop note lay. The darker Bohemian Dusk has a similar level of breadiness - maybe a little stronger - but definitely from a darker grain - go figure! It has some sweet dark fruit notes and a more mineral bitterness, overall seeming like it will be a sweeter than the pale brew.

    The darker brew carries through on the dark bread notes, with much less dark fruit, but with a somewhat grassy bitterness that reminds me of the nose of the pale brew. So, is the grassy taste the tie that binds these?

    Bohemian Dawn has a more citrus-like vibe when taken after the dark bread of the Bohemian Dusk. By the middle, a grain (more than bread) and grass flavor have danced to the fore. It is balanced until the late finish / linger. The Dusk's bitterness seems to grow earlier, but it might be because it is countering a more contrasting dark malt.

    Trying hard, and maybe influencing myself, to see if the hop expressions are somewhat similar and I think.. maybe? I think the citrus impression I am getting from the Dawn is the most pronounced flavor, and contrasts with the darker malts (that might have less resistance from the hops in the older brew) enough to throw things off. The transition from malt to hops, though it happens at different points, is the thing I think is the most similar in these two.

    Weird comparison, with almost no usefulness in the end, but still glad I did it.
     
  11. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Quick follow up, because I am silly - I combined the remnants of the two Jack's Abby beers in 50/50 and then 66/34 pale-to-dark ratios. Given these beers , at these ages, the 2:1 ratios was actually quite tasty.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    FWIW it stands to reason that you might perceive some similarities due to Czech Saaz hops.

    Jack's Abby does not specifically list the hop used for Bohemian Dawn but since it is lists "traditional ingredients" it is a safe bet they choose Saaz hops for this brand. They do explicitly list Saaz hops for Bohemian Dusk.

    A few months ago I homebrewed both a Bohemian Pilsner and Czech Dark Lager and I used Czech Saaz hops for both of those batches for flavor/aroma additions.

    For my personal palate I perceive the hops in this beers as herbal/spicy but I could envision that somebody else might use the word "grassy" here instead.

    Na Zdravi
     
  13. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    I do get a mix of grass, sharper herbs, and light pepper notes, the combination sometimes being like a less vegetal argula in beers where I feel the Saaz is amped up. I definitely did not get that in either beer today; the hops seemed to be more countering the malt / grain influence in both beers than trying to be the star.

    Maybe they were tamed a little by age? I seem to recall feeling Dawn was more hop-forward when I had it last year, which I think I found a little fresher. But I don't think it was that much fresher (maybe a month old versus two).
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That certainly would be the situation for the Bohemian Dusk given it was an October release. What was the canned on date for Bohemian Dawn?

    Cheers!
     
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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    It was late September can date, which is older than I thought it was before seeing it was an October release in my research above. For 7 months old, it wasn't at all a bad beer, though probably a bit different than it was fresh.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    At 7 months of age that could very well explain: "Maybe they were tamed a little by age?"

    Cheers!
     
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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Oops - sorry, that was the Bohemian Dusk date. The Bohemian Dawn is two months old.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, I am stumped there. Unless that beer was 'damaged' in transport/storage a time period of 2 months should not be an issue for this particular can.

    A 'wild card' is that maybe there is 'variability' as regards the hop crop. This is an issue we homebrewers have since we are 'bottom feeders' when it comes to purchasing hops. Some (many?) commercial brewers create hop contracts in order ensure they receive hops of a quality that meets their demands (e.g., Tree House does with their hop suppliers). I would suspect that Jack's Abby does this as well. But maybe this is problemmatic when it comes to imported hops?

    The 'mysteries' of beer appreciation?

    Na Zdravi
     
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    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Well, you're perhaps ignoring all the flaws in the beer taster, as well :grinning:
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    LOL!

    We all have our own unique palates and unique personal preferences in how we enjoy beer. I prefer to think of this as a 'feature' vs. a "flaw".:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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