Breweries that are good to the ‘core’

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JackHorzempa, Mar 16, 2026.

  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There has been some discussion in the Breweries Just Holding On thread that got me thinking. As we are all aware these are challenging business times for the beer industry writ large including craft breweries. In the past year there have been a number of closings in my area for craft brewing companies. Just some examples:

    · Iron Hill Brewing has closed all of their locations (16 + 3)

    · Sly Fox which has their production brewery in Pottstown, PA closed their Pittsburgh brewery

    · Tired Hands has closed two locations

    · Triumph Brewing closed their New Hope, PA location

    In these challenging times, what is the ‘best’ response for breweries to maintain their businesses? Should they constantly try and produce ‘shiny new things’ to service customers who are constantly looking for new brands to drink? Would it be wiser to expend their efforts and resources on providing a core set of products? Or…?

    Cheers!
     
  2. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    A good mix of core flagship beers and seasonal or limited releases seem to be good for a brewery to experiment a little and find what works. Ultimately breweries want to serve their customer base after initially attracting people. After expanding, breweries may take a look at what works and what isn't as worth it and maybe that's why they close a location to consolidate. A few of the newer (post 2010) breweries around here have done collaborations with coffee roasters and cafes, and even expanded into selling their own coffee, hard seltzer, and even liquor and cocktails. Some local breweries around Boston are cafes in the morning and become a beer bar during the day and at night, so it's a collaborative business venture with cross promotion. Producing liquor and serving cocktails may require extra licenses, but a few popular local places here have done that, like Night Shift, Tree House and Trillium. Expanding into more non-beer beverages has seemed to help their businesses as far as I can tell, allowing reach to more potential customers that might not be there just for the beer, like friends or a family gathering. I imagine every business is under different circumstances and they all have to find out what could work best for them down the line to help maintain their business.
     
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  3. deleted_user_1379257

    deleted_user_1379257 Pundit (865) Feb 17, 2026
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    I'm no beer expert, nor am I a businessman. But it seems to me getting really good at brewing a few core beers that sell well and pay the bills would help subsidize the experimentation most brewmasters seem to love engaging in.

    And I also find that offering food options will help draw in more people. Unless I know a brewery is excellent, I generally won't go if they (or someone close) don't offer food.
     
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  4. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Yes to Jack's last 3 questions. Excellent core beers and they do experiment and they've weathered every "storm" that has taken down so many other breweries.
    https://www.summitbrewing.com/
     
  5. rolltide8425

    rolltide8425 Pooh-Bah (2,470) Feb 18, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    A mix of core beers and experimental stuff is, I think, definitely the way to go. Keep a few of your best sellers on tap at all times then use your other taps to have fun.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Does the Von Trapp combination of core beers and seasonal/other releases fit this model?

    Cheers!

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  7. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    For a traditional European style and mainly lager producing company I would say their lineup is good. Obviously it wouldn't be appeased by people who want hazy IPAs and pastry stouts, so you hope people drinking their beer are aware of their traditional Euro style. From a business point of view, they make money with other side ventures as well like the farm or creamery and lodge, so it is more than beer from a business standpoint that they operate off of. I like Von Trapp beers and their style. Similar in Mass is Jack's Abby who also focuses on traditional lagers and they have a fairly big brewery and restaurant, no creamery or hotel lodge to work with and they have survived as a fairly popular and successful local/regional brewery as well.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I was posting this more for whether you thought that the mix of core vs. non-core was a good model. Not so much the specifics of beer style.

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  9. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Quite Germanic. Looks like their apples don't fall far from the tree.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes but like I posted above: "I was posting this more for whether you thought that the mix of core vs. non-core was a good model."

    What do you think? A proper mix of core to non-core beers? And having the non-core being spaced out (e.g., seasonally) a good thing?

    Cheers!
     
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  11. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    No. Not enuf diversity in the non-core. Perhaps the spacing is good/seasonal. But to my point, they appear to "stay Germanic".
     
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  12. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I think it's good with their 5 main core beers year round packaged and on draft, and also in variety 12pks which is good if you like all the styles. It's also good that they have multiple seasonal beers that are available for a couple of months, and also some collaborations too. They have the dark and smoked lagers in the colder months and a summer radler. Just noticed the interesting Pilsner pack as well with 4 different pilsner styles in it. For their style range I think their sales model seems pretty good.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You and I seem to be talking past each other.

    Forget the specific beer styles and think more broadly. For example if Brewery X produced 5 core beers (of the styles that thrill you) and produces 9 non-core beers seasonally (of the styles that thrill you), is that a good business strategy in your opinion?

    Or conversely are you a fan of the Other Half Brewery business model where every week they are releasing a 'shiny new thing' product (e.g., 52 new brands every year)?

    Cheers!
     
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  14. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    great question Jack. I'm sure there will be lots of ideas. And if somebody hits the magic formula, bottle that!
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suspect that for most non-national craft breweries there is no single "magic formula" since beer appreciation seems to an area/regional thing. For example in Pennsylvania what would likely be a winning formula for the Philadelphia area would be different from what would work in Altoona, PA.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    Yes to Q 1.
    The weekly shiny new thing approach not so much. Though I do believe in experimentation and obviously some are successful with this model. These must be tough decisions to make for brewers & brewery owners. Do we follow the bouncing ball or stay on track? kinda thing. :beers:
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Part of the motivation for me starting this thread.

    We consumers get a 'vote' here.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I don't think there's a single answer. Not everyone is going to be able to make those same 5 core styles that all the new/cool places have been making for years. It's too late, and the cost to pivot is going to outweigh any uptick they might see. There's a real chance it actually does harm to brand for grasping at straws. They're choosing to compete with everyone on uneven terms.

    At the same time, what if your core specialties are Belgian abbey ales, hoppy stouts, ambers, and wheats? There are plenty of places like that and they can't sit around waiting for those styles to be cool again. If they don't pivot, they're at least going to have to sell people on why they aren't. Advertising if not full-on education.
     
  19. AlfromPA

    AlfromPA Zealot (613) Dec 9, 2021 Colorado

    What a shame Tired Hands has closed the Brew Café. It was an intimate space, much nicer than the Fermenteria, and it had wonderful and slightly bizarre specialties, like fermented beet sandwiches, etc. Apparently the pop up bar in Mt. Airy is scheduled to reopen this year, which is great.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The other location which they closed was their Kennett Square location.

    I suppose that pop up places are cheaper to operate?

    Cheers!
     
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