Publicly Traded Craft Breweries

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ohsaycanyoubeer, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. Ohsaycanyoubeer

    Ohsaycanyoubeer Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2012 Colorado

    I only know of two:

    Boston Beer (SAM) and Craft Brew Alliance (BREW)

    I was thinking about putting my money where my wallet usually is and was hoping there was other options I missed on.
     
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  2. NickMunford

    NickMunford Pooh-Bah (2,094) Oct 2, 2006 Wyoming
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    Damn! SAM is at $141+ a share? Who knew? They're doing pretty good! But IMO, when a beer company goes public, it's no longer "craft".
     
  3. Ohsaycanyoubeer

    Ohsaycanyoubeer Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2012 Colorado

    Yes, kinda, sorta, but it's still important to differnciate between InBev/MolsonCoors and Sam Adams...
     
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  4. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    You can capitalize on the Bourbon County craziness with BUD... I kid, I kid... kind of...
     
  5. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    We have held Boston Beer stock for some years now. My thinking was much the same as Ohsaycanyoubeer
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Every time someone attempts to define craft beer, it excludes some brewer that many "craft beer advocates" feel belongs. The term increasingly feels snobbish to me. You are entitled to your opinion, but I can't fathom how public offering of stock interacts with the craft of making beer.
     
  7. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    Either a brewery makes good beer or it doesn't. Period. But as we have seen in other posts, some apparently can't let go of their politics even when enjoying a beer.
     
  8. taxman

    taxman Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2012 Illinois

  9. NickMunford

    NickMunford Pooh-Bah (2,094) Oct 2, 2006 Wyoming
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    Interchange "craft" with any term you like. I didn't say I don't still drink it and enjoy most of it. And I never said being a public company was a bad thing. And I'm no economist, but I can guarantee the there are different business practices associated with running a publicly traded company than that of a private company. Whether you're making beer or any other product. I like Sam Adams, and if I had the money, I'd buy stock in them.
     
  10. StarRanger

    StarRanger Crusader (482) Nov 27, 2006 North Dakota

    My wife got me one share of Boston Beer stock a few years ago through oneshare.com - http://www.oneshare.com/stock/samueladams. The framed stock certificate looks nice above my computer and I do get their annual reports and sometimes a goody like a bottle koosie.

    They also have shares of Craft Brewers Alliance for sale plus AB and Molson Coors too if you really want to fill out the set.
     
  11. dsal89

    dsal89 Initiate (0) Jul 6, 2008 Indiana

    Damn...i dont see Boston Beer going anywhere. Maybe i should buy up a crap load of it lol
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm sure you are right about there being a difference in business practices. I just don't see it necessarily affecting the brewing process. But I don't think "privately owned" should be the acid test for "craft." I guess it boils down to what about beer we should be advocating: attributes of the beer or attributes of the business or some sort of holistic measure of both. For many of us, it probably is some measure of both, but the criteria are nebulous and personal.
     
  13. brewbetter

    brewbetter Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    You know about the fiduciary duty to return shareholder value, right?

    I find the people who are offended when their personal favorite brewery is excluded from the craft umbrella need to just gain a little perspective. Just because GI isn't craft doesn't mean you have to love them any less.
     
  14. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    Care to give us an example or two of how those differences in business practices would affect the brewing of beer?
     
  15. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    Then you know nothing about dividends and how they compel investors. Not saying that BBC had made successions in their raw goods, but cutting costs and materials is a common reaction to lowers than expected earnings
     
  16. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    So a privately held brewery wouldn't cut costs if profits drop?
     
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  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You are suggesting that I am finanically naive and I'm sure I am on many points, but maybe not in the way you suggest. I accept the concept of fiduciary responsibility and the pressure to cut costs to raise profit. I can see how by extension there would be a tendency to put a product out that minimizes costs and maximizes earnings by selling the consumer the product with the least quality that they are willing to consume. However, I don't think this has to be the only way corporations are run, and I don't think this model applies to BBC, and apparently you don't (see bold text). So let's not kick them out of the club yet just we suspect they will inevitably sell out.
     
  18. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    That exists for privately held companies too.
     
  19. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    One thing that should be considered with Sam Adams is that they have two types of shares. I forget which way they label them and Im not going to look it up, but lets call them A and B.

    Koch owns 100% of the "A" shares and the "B" shares are the ones publicly traded. The ones he owns gives him like 60% ownership (its been a while since I looked at this, so that is ballpark). That is a big difference than with most publicly traded companies where the founder doesnt have controlling interest. For example, I remember back in the late 90s, Michael Dell was down below 15% ownership of his company. And it was getting smaller all the time, as he diversified out of Dell stock.
     
  20. jglowe77

    jglowe77 Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2011 Massachusetts

    A private craft brewery makes good to beer because people want to buy it. A public craft brewery makes good beer because people want to buy it, which serves its ultimate end, which is to increase shareholder wealth. There are different motivations at play. Sam Adams has pressure to make more mainstream-acceptable beers because its shareholders want their shares to increase in value. A private craft brewery can brew whatever kind of beer it wants and rely on the adventurousness of the craft community to keep it in business.
     
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