Todd's Michigan Mud
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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English Sweet / Milk Stout
4.31 | pDev: 7.66%
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Notes: Made by our very own Todd Schwem, this Chocolate Stout was made with cocoa nips from Ghana and vanilla beans from Madagascar. It is quite rich, black in color and complex. It begins with intense chocolate and finishes with vanilla.
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Photo of DaveBar
4.23/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Purchased a half pint at the brewery to enjoy

A- Poured a small head that lasted forever. Dark black/brown head and brew it's self.

S- Lots of chocolate and malty goodness. Bourbon barrel aged to perfection.

T- Lots of coffee, bourbon and chocolate. Rather hot right now.

M- Very creamy and complex. Excellent recipe.

O- Loved it. Wish it was for sale but it's on tap only.

Food Pairing.

This wonderful beer went well with..... smoked brisket sandwich they served in a food truck outside the brewery


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Photo of GreesyFizeek
3.43/5  rDev -20.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Bottle received as an extra in a recent trade.

Pours really weirdly. Huge like 5 inch head, even if I pour very slowly. The head looks cool, I guess, but the beer is more head than beer, which is unpleasant, to say the least.

At least it smells pretty good- smells like hot chocolate- cocoa powder, and rich dark chocolate, with some vanilla and roasted malt.

Yeah- as expected by how it looked, this is way over-carbonated, affecting the flavor in quite a negative way. I can tell this is a nice beer underneath these problems- get a big blast of rich and sweet chocolate, with some vanilla, and a little bit roasty bitterness. All of these niceties are buried under a fizzy, overbearing carbonation bite. Quite disappointing.

This one is medium-bodied, with a fizzy, biting mouthfeel. I wish this was super creamy, as it clearly should be. Due to the carbonation issues, it's really not all that drinkable.

Sigh. This is clearly better than the bottle I got, but I have to rate what I drank. Beware.

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Photo of Copernicandream
4.06/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2014 Batch. 12 oz poured via bottle inversion into a pint glass.

A: Dark black, opaque to light. Even with the hyper aggressive pour minimal dark brown creamy head that dissipates quickly leaving a thin and unrelenting surface film that stuck around throughout.

S: Hershey's cocoa powder. Intense dark chocolate is really the only thing obvious on the nose. There is some roasted malt, dry lactose, and espresso bean hidden behind that chocolate.

T: Follows the nose. Chocolate milk with very well balanced roast profile and minimal bitterness. The sweetness of the lactose is very reserved, dry, and stands on its own against an appropriately moderate roast bitterness. Typically expect a little more lactose on a milk stout, and a little better integration, it kind of reminds me of raw lactose powder. Nothing here is overdone or EXTREME. Subtle vanilla on the mid-palate that I completely missed on the nose.

M: Smooth and creamy. This would really benefit from a Nitro pour, I can see the potential and it left me drooling for what it could have been. Very minimal carbonation that faded throughout.

O: I don't really know what an "Imperial" milk stout is or is supposed to be? That said, this beer hits a little heavier in terms of flavor than most milk stouts. The lactose is somewhat poorly integrated - the chocolate carries everything. A powdered truffle in a glass.

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Photo of SportsandJorts
3.51/5  rDev -18.6%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: dark brown to black. completely opaque. poured fairly strong but no foamy head formed, hardly even enough to cover the surface.

Smell: supper chocolaty. good dose of milk sugar. some roasted malts but mainly hidden by chocolate

Taste: opens up with pure cocoa. very strong and unmodified chocolate. some milk sugar that plays in with darker malts.

Mouthfeel: fairly light and creamy.

Overall: when i think of imperial in a beer i look for a lot of character and intensity. this beer has good flavor and intensity with the chocolate but i think it needs more dimensions. maybe some more dark malts or dark fruits. just missing a little something to push it to a new level.

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Photo of cosmicevan
3.61/5  rDev -16.2%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

2013 bottle courtesy of wade5614 into a kuhnhenn tulip.

a - brew opened with a gushing, but there is a lot of carb. 30% pour of the tulip was filled to the brim with foamy head that seemed to just grown and grow and grow. i poured fairly carefully as well. none-the less, after a LONG time of settling and pouring and whatnot, i got a decent pour. black as night with the grey cream colored head that i already spoke about...which really dominated the beer and the pour.

s - nose is chocolate with some strong char.

t/m - the taste is where this one comes to life. like chocolate milk...smooth and silky and fairly soft. the carbonation shows itself in the mouth on the finish which is a bit harsh and overly charred.

o - overall, not a highlight for me from the kuhnhenn catalog, but far from a bad beer. if the carbonation was more under control, this one could've been a moo hoo killer, but alas the carbonation is intense making the foamy head overbearing at times. as always, glad to have tried it!

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Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
4.31/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to BigBadBarrel for this bottle!

poured into tulip glass.

Appearance: black bodied beer with 1 finger of tan head. Drops down to a thin uneven cap.

Smell: milk chocolate, cocoa nibs, vanilla beans, lactose note and mild roast.

Taste: mild to moderately sweet milk chocolates. Lactose note, a hint of nuttiness and roasty malts. Cocoa and vanilla notes add to the sweetness of milk chocolates. Finishes with a mildly bitter and dry cocoa note and the vanilla sweetness seems to linger and balance out the cocoa flavor. Really nice!

Mouthfeel: medium bodied beer with low end of moderate carbonation. Silky and creamy mouthfeel. Ultra smooth beer that drinks like is 5% abv.

Overall: This milk stout is even a little more enjoyable than both Moo Hoo and Lugene; who are both big names in this beer style. This is probably my 2nd favorite Milk Stout that I have ever drank. Only Surly Four is better! Kuhnhenn another wonderful beer! Wish that this beer didnt have a single bottle limit this would be a great beer to add as a regular offering at Kuhnhenns. It really too bad this beer was such a limited offering, I would like to see more of this beer!

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3.98/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Thanks saisonrichbiere for the hook up

The beer pours jet black with an inch of dense tan head that fades down to a centimeter thick blanketing. The nose is potent milk chocolate, very sweet, but not black tuesday sweet. The taste engages my palate with more complexity than just the chocolate-milk-beer I'd expected. Rich milk chocolate up front transitions into a dry, bitter, >65% cocoa-like finish. It's safely medium bodied, if not full bodied, smooth, reasonably attenuated and has a dry Irish-stout-like finish. Honestly, the back-end bitter roastiness and touch of acidity brings out the vanilla, which is almost completely overpowered by the nibs. I like this beer more than most milk stouts, especially with definitive vanilla and cocoa and a maintained drinkability (i.e. it doesn't feel/taste like I'm chugging down Hershey's syrup), but I'm not sure I'd make a second request for it considering kuhnhenn's other offerings

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Photo of tectactoe
4.34/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

Picked up at Kuhnhenn during the '13 eisbock release. Pours dark and seemingly thin for the style, just about no light getting through this one. Somewhat small head, tan in color, bubbly; dissipates to nothing but a light skin within a minute or two.

Aroma is full of deep cocoa and deep espresso. I know I'm being vague when I say "deep" cocoa, but that's really the best way to describe it. It's not overly sweet or cloying, and at the same time, it's not too dark or insanely bitter. It's a nice mix of bittersweet and it's very pleasing to the nose. The espresso/coffee is a bit stronger than expected, but it's a good addition. I love coffee and it's done moderately enough to not be overdone but enough to compliment the chocolate. The aroma also gives off a creamy and "dairy" feel, delicate and silky.

The nose is a great indication of the way this one is gonna taste - a nice, creamy, dark chocolate is the first thing to hit the senses. Perfect balance of sweetness and roast. The sweetness of the chocolates hit first, and it slowly cascades into a more roasted profile, leaving being the cloying, sweet aftertaste that causes so many other "sweet stouts" to suffer in my opinion. Coffee doesn't come out like it did in the aroma - it's there, but it's pretty far in the background when compared to the cocoa nibs.

Very solid all around - milky, creamy, and savory. No real hop profile that I'm picking up from this one, but luckily it's not so sweet as to need that bitter counterpoint, and this one survives well without it. Aftertaste is a nice 50/50 mix of milk and dark chocolate - perfectly bittersweet. Medium bodied, felt thinner than the appearance would let you believe, moderate carbonation.

With "sweet stouts", you never really know how it's gonna turn out. Oftentimes they end up being a little too over the top with the sweetness and end up being cloying and unenjoyable by the finish (See: ST Creme Brulee). But this chocolate profile was done perfectly. Executed extremely well, this one is drinkable all the way through, giving nice amounts of chocolate without giving you diabetes. Goddamn the one bottle limit, I want more of this stuff.

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4.41/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Served poured into a goblet from a 12oz bottle picked up at the release yesterday

Appearance- Thick, oily ebony. Like a dark espresso with only about a half inch of hot cocoa-looking head that didn't quite rise to the top of the glass. I had to shake up the last quarter of the bottle to even get this carbonation up. Aside from the lack of head, a great looking imperial milk stout.

Smell- Roasty cocoa and coffee, strong vanilla extract, sweet lactose tartness, a hint of allspice comes through as all of the aromas blend together. Perhaps this is the hop character poking through, as there is really no hop aroma to speak of. Overall, this has a nose of homemade hot chocolate spiked with a dash of cognac. Very nice. Again, a great representation of the style.

Taste- Big chocolate hit followed by malted milk, nutmeg, cinnamon. Very akin to a Mexican chocolate without the chilis. Not much coffee flavor given the coffee character in the nose. Faint corn sweetness (maybe the malt working in tandem with the lactose) creeps in leading to an added bonus- the aftertaste in your mouth tastes like you just ate a big bowl of cocoa puffs. This is awesome.

Mouthfeel- Smooth and creamy. As expected. As I mentioned in the appearance about the lack of noticeable carbonation- I find this to be normal in every kuhnhenn beer I have had. While in some styles I find it off-putting, I am perfectly fine with it here. Smooth and creamy from start to finish with very minimal bubbly interference. Just enough carbonation- perfect for an imperial milk stout, and helps the drinkability quite a bit.

Overall- I am not going to beat around the bush here, this beer is AMAZING. I did not expect to enjoy this beer as much as I do. That being said, I am super bummed that there was a 1-bottle limit on this when I picked it up. I may have to head back and get another. Everything works in harmony here to produce a great result. This may be my favorite kuhnhenn beer, and hope that some day I can get a bourbon barreled offering if they make one. I would love to try a draught pour. I love big stouts, but milk stouts are not usually my favorite style. This one breaks the mold and is definitely up there in the ranks for me now. A great breakfast style stout for sure. I would drink this any time.

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