Let's talk about trade winning and threadsh******.

I've done this myself when I've noticed a uneven, but not entirely far off offer especially if it's from a newer trader who is still trying to learn the ropes. Only I BM him about it instead of passive agressively posting something in his thread.

 

there are thousands (4500-5000 tops) if you add up all of the various BA variants from over all the years...

 

The $4$ disparity here is obviously unrealistic and the trade proposal will early fail, but I seriously doubt that a person asking how many BTs is really expecting a response of, "Oh, I meant 2 BTs!" in response. They're just taking a big old shit. The trade offer may be ludicrous, but that doesn't make threadshitting useful or clever.

Based on the logic of your question, next time someone asks for $100 worth of rare beer for a cable car, someone should ask him, "How many cable cars?" The only difference is that one proposal is realistic and the other is not, but threadshitting is threadshitting regardless of the feasibility of one's trade proposal.

 

Yeah, that's what I said. There are only two years though, let's not get teary-eyed over the dozen that trickled out in 2006. Thousands of bottles over two years is a lot.

That's actually how I traded Wanderer for one in 2011. The other guy said, "I consider this a one-off, Pappy Dark Lord won't be made again." To which I rejoindered, "Contact me when Wanderer is made again." He found it witty. We did the trade.

BTW I think it's funny when people are quick to remind me that PvW and Bourbon DL are different but they lump all the years of BT (which have different ABVs, maybe different barrels) or all the years of CFH (which definitely have different barrel blends) together.

 

God forbid someone ask a question they would like answered..Seems some here would consider it threadshiting.

 

How many unrealistic trade threads out there have the OP chime in whether the thread is "shit" on or not stating that the trade got done whether they did or not?

My opinion is that these unrealistic posts are doing more damage to the community than someone making a snarky comment.

There are so many 2012 and 2013 members that are wanting to dive right into trading before they can even post in the forum. ( I guess I do not blame them ) but when all they see in the forum are people gold mining, it puts the seed in their mind that trades like this may be getting done.

This may be one reason so many more of these posts exist and the community is now a commodity forum.

"letthemantrade" does not help anyone, and I have yet to see a fair offer get blasted with thread shits.

Something else I think is worth mentioning is that 99% of the time people end their ISO:FT post with "inquire with BM only or No thread shitting" it is because they know their offer is BS.

Many times it is the same people over and over posting the same type of trade requests.

 

i know it's just me being trifling, but batch 1 of chocolate rain wasn't bottled. for some reason i feel compelled to mention this whenever people suggest asking for b1 chocolate rain or mention their own bottle. there are no such bottles.

b1 chocolate rain was released along with 09 BT, and all the cali people who were raving about it back then posted about how BT wasn't shit compared to CR and how amazed they were. this is a major reason why your b2 CR (made from 10 BT) is valuable.

(it's also something to think about regarding caring too much about what batch / vintage your beer is...)

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edit: re: threadshitting, i reiterate that it doesn't matter. trading got very big, people are going to do what they do. just make fair trades yourself and don't deal with trolls and maximizers if it rubs you the wrong way. really, if you're trying to get a reasonable trade done it will probably get done. if you're trying for something low probability, it's low probability whether people threadshit or not. don't worry about it, and report posts you think violate the rules if you care.

 

Hey, at least threadshitting can be amusing at times.
The worst are those "BM sent" posts. Seriously, those are absolutely worthless. People who post them can [censored].

Also, the idea that "dollar for dollar" is all that matters is ridiculous (I've seen at least one post in this thread making that suggestion). Example: ISO: '04 DL FT: 6PK Arrogant Bastard... almost exactly dollar for dollar.

 

I love it when people pull completely nonsense trades out as an example for why $4$ doesn't work.

Kind of like those people who say BMI doesn't work and then post a picture of a bodybuilder. Yeah, that's the rule and not the exception...

 

Personally I find these useful to know that someone is already discussing a trade with the thread starter (for a thread where I'd be interested in making the proposed trade). If he comes back in and says "this is still open" then I might send him a BM, but if I know for a fact that others are already working on a trade, I'd rather not send a message for two reasons: 1. I don't want to flood the guy's inbox when he's already clearly got offers to wade through, and 2. if he's not going to accept the first/one of the first fair offers and is going to hold an auction over BM I have no interest in getting involved.

 

yeah, BM sent (despite looking like it's about defecation / coprophilia) makes a lot of sense if it's not a trade-winning type thing. if people are up front about what's ISO and FT there shouldn't be much to deliberate over.

 

My comment was directed at jaIsPoAn, who stated that all that mattered to him was the dollar value, without qualifying it in any way. As such, while mostly tongue-in-cheek, my use of reductio ad absurdum is logically consistent with that statement.
Dollar value is only one of multiple objective factors which are generally considered, as MordorMongo points out. What makes my hypothetical trade "nonsense" anyway? It is ridiculous, but in order to come to this conclusion you need to take into account other, more important, factors. So yeah, "$4$", by itself, doesn't work (unless you're doing something simple like locals for locals).

 

Confucius say: "Those who poop in others threads may later find turd in tub."

 

The answer remains blissfully simple.

Take away comments in ISO:FT.

In my time here, I have yet to hear one good reason to allow them.

 

I browse ISO:FT frequently since I'm still trying to learn more and more about trading, and find most of the comments to be pretty useful. The only way one would get an impression that most of what goes on is threadshitting would be to go specifically looking for that, such as for instance only checking threads with high reply counts (i.e. ones where it's more likely a flamewar developed).

 

1. Many people's ISO's are vague to the point of uselessness. Better to ask them to clarify once than have them post the same useless thing over and over and over
2. "This is closed" and "I'm hearing that I'm way off on this, so I'm adding X,Y,Z to my original offer"
3. Even ISOs that don't get done end up being used to anchor the value of beers in the future. Calling out posts that seem blatantly lopsided serve a purpose in correcting the available information. (I know some people will argue against this, but we tell new traders to "lurk" and "do research" in the forums before posting so it seems obvious to me that people are going to take previous ISOs as datapoints on what's a fair offer for them to make in turn.)

 

i still don't understand why it matters. poop all in my iso:ft threads, i could care less. make an off-balanced iso:ft, expect to get feedback...if you get your feelings hurt, so be it. really, the only reason people get so sensitive about it is because they feel/think/know that any truth brought up in the thread will discourage/block the deal from happening. in which case, it was probably an "i must win, your beer belong to us" post. if not, then the OP of said thread should be thankful for the feedback. i do find humor in the trade forum purists who say, "NO COMMENTS, THEY'RE NO GOOD, DON'T ALLOW THEM." i see no reason to disallow comments. really is a dumb argument.

 

Spottedzombie tries to pass off a 2008 Darkness as an alternate label of the super rare 2007.
Spottedzombie is a known bad trader who vanished then reappeared again.
Most likely threads calling him out have been deleted.

His thread should not be shit on.
Let the other guy either get nothing, or give up something really rare for a misrepresented bottle.

I can't think of a reason why threadshitting should not have been allowed in that situation.

I have more examples....

 

Percieved value is a completely irrelevant thing. Perception changes from person to person. A beer is worth what it trades for. If someone trades an 07 Darkness for a 4 pack of HT...then to those parties 07 Darkness is worth a 4 pack of HT. The communities opinion of value really doesn't and shouldn't ever matter. Bottom line....your opinion or perception of a beers value is irrelevant and you should probably keep it to yourself. Let the people trading figure it out.

 

Sold. Where do I send the money.