Counterfeit Cantillon John Chris Nomad

But didn't the OP state that he received it via a trade?

 

Why? As I said above, you could probably do it a few times before anyone figured it out. Even then, get a new account. Keep in mind that the people who read beer forums religiously are only a fraction of the craft beer drinking community. And it's not like a couple of fake bottles on Ebay are going to send the bat signal out to the entire craft universe. Net-net most people will be none the wiser. You can't tag an auction as "this bottle is fake", and complaining to Ebay will have mixed results, at best.

Your worst case scenario as an M counterfeiter would be to sell it for less money as time goes on and people caught on. Then after you have burned that bridge, you move on to yet another account and do it with other beers.

I refuse to believe this isn't already happening at a rather large scale, especially with newer beers like BCBS Rare or CBS. Counterfeiting is a problem in every hobby with enough money on the line - why do people think beer is immune?

 

Doesn't matter! This is obviously eBay's fault!!!

You new here?

 

The main problem for very rare beers, like M or Dave....let's say somehow you snagged one...how the hell would you know what it was supposed to taste like? There could be anything in there, and not to mention over time the flavors could change greatly....you'd just be drinking on faith that you have the real thing.

 

If I saw the beer that said "John" Chris Nomad, I'd immediately know it was a fake.

 

This is probably a discussion unto itself, but ultimately I think it depends on the situation. Some of these whales are passed around numerous times before finding their final home. Scaling back up the chain will be impossible in some circumstances.

 

I mean you can only sell it like 4-6 times a year. Even if it weren't for the fact that people would get suspicious if there were suddenly cases of M for sale, there are only so many M buyers. Faking something with more bottles and more demand (like Blabaer) might actually be more lucrative.

Yeah, but I think in general that's the less likely route for these. I mean, why would someone fake a bottle then trade it? You're getting an illiquid asset back for it (HAR HAR), so it's worse that way. And on here you're much more likely to get it to someone who knows what they're dealing with (this one wouldn't have been spotted if OP hadn't already had a bottle).

Although I could see using BA to "launder" the fake beer, since there's absolutely no recourse here, at least on eBay you can give feedback.

Regardless, it seems way more likely to me that eBay is where the fake beers are going to go.

 

yes, not the way too make CASH, so at least he was ****** by a beerlover... unless he traded an M that then went to ebay...

 

I'm surprised it took this long for this joke to be made. I was going to make it, but the thread was already 60+ posts in, so I decided the time had already passed. Glad you went for it!

 

It's at least worth noting that in a general sense, but particularly for Belgian beers, and especially for lambics, and double-especially for lambics which are produced for a specific bar/retailer, label variation is insufficient to determine provenance. Oftentimes the bottles are stored blank and labeled only when ready for shipment, or delivered blank and the retailer applies the labels, possibly over the course of years. If a bottle is brought to the US the label may be applied by the brewer, or a different label by the importer/et cetera.

None of this may apply to JCN, but it's important to realize that this sort of thing doesn't always indicate a counterfeit bottle.

 

I think this is what Shelton does.

 

Why not do both? Once you have the operation down the effort required to do others is minimally additive. And 6 bottles of M a year would be nearly 10K. The sweet spot though is probably any current 10K+ bottle count beer selling for $100. Which is why I already think it is widely happening with a beer like CBS. 2xKBS + squirt of maple syrup = $120!

 

That was one of my thoughts as well. What if the printers had some variations? I know that when I print at work, whether the ink is running our, or the printer needs re-alignment, not all products are identical.

 

Agree, this must be the version released by Chris his brother John who owns a shop in second hand stuff...

 

Because time is finite? And it's really not $120, eBay fees and whatever will take out a chunk of that. The draw of faking something like M is that it's much less likely to get caught (since something like a dozen people could compare bottles/taste well enough to pick it out) and much more lucrative for the effort.

I mean, setting aside the ethics, I'm too damn lazy to go through the effort of faking CBS. You'd need to get the KBS, get the bottles (since CBS is in those weird-ass bottles), fake the label, glue it on, bottle the KBS, mix in the syrup, cap it, make all the listings, pack, ship, etc. That's a lot of work doing a lot of dubiously legal and clearly immoral bullshit for not really all that much money.

 

I think that's unlikely to be the case with JCN, since they were all on the shelf.

 

What evidence is there that any of them are real?

I've learned from other hobbies and professional endeavors over the years that scammers/counterfeiters/fraudsters are everywhere, and always willing to put in Herculean efforts for a quick buck. So I have no idea how many CBS's sold have been fake, but I think it's naive to believe that every single one has been genuine.

 

Why go to all that trouble? Just take an older bottle of CBS, fill it with some obscure coffee flavored beer, seal it, ship it. If the other person complains, tell them that the beer tastes different because they hoarded it for too long hoping for wale status, and in the process of doing so, the maple syrup flavor faded away.

 

Mixing with KBS isn't really the hard part. You still need to get the CBS bottle (which is quite non-trivial) and then refill it and cap it (and a capper costs money, plus getting the Founders cap could be tough too). I really don't think that doing this well enough to fool people is as trivial as cbeer is making it out.