Counterfeit Cantillon John Chris Nomad

If founders could get the bottles, I'm willing to bet there is a somewhere on the Internet that somebody could buy a dozen of them with the click of a mouse. All of that work, in its entirety, might take 4 hours for a dozen bottles. That's still an easy $1000 profit for an afternoon. Morality is a non-issue for scammers, and legality is very low risk here.

 

I honestly wouldn't be too surprised either way. Maybe they ran out of one kind of paper. Maybe they printed the labels on two different printers. Jean wouldn't have specific cause to know about either one of those, and regardless the word of a brewer isn't definitive on this subject unless there's prior evidence that the brewer is a particular stickler for label details (and I feel comfortable saying that Jean is not). If the original trader feels like talking about where they acquired the bottle, that's the only real word on this.

As another example... this was a real Blauw:



Imagine getting that in a trade!

 

Innocence isn't proven, it's inherent. Don't you know that?

 

This was @ Spuyten, correct? I remember one of the other bottles having been a paste-over job......Malvasia, perhaps?

 

Okay, here's a task for you. Find the bottles. Tell me how long it takes you, and how much they'll be. The CBS label is available at the TTB website, (or on beernews) so that's a nonissue. But if this is so easy, I'd kind of like to see you do it.

If you want to go whole-hog, ISO: cbeer's fake CBS. FT: the sanctity of craft beer. (I'm not actually that melodramatic.)

 

I agree, but one more point: Sure, it's not easy, but it's not impossible. If you're really careful with taking the cap off an existing bottle, it's not to much trouble to put it back on. Any homebrewer will have all the equipment needed.

 

Pictures anyone?

 

I agree. Also because I the answer I got from Jean regarding this topic, I kind of read between the lines that the bottles were labeled by the people who sold them (i.e. by a beer shop owner and a chocolate shop owner). My blabaer bottles were also labeled in Olbutikken and hand written 2011 on them just seconds before I bought them. This may increase label variations as well

 

No, this goes for JCN/M/King Henry etc.. whatever bottle people are discussing or trading in a thread.. far too often its superfluous comments that derail threads and get them locked/deleted.

 

Funny. And yeah, none of the beer I had at the 3F restaurant was labeled, and I also had an Hommage that was unlabeled (but came from a source I trust completely). Plus the Blauw/Roze labels I saw were clearly hand-applied, tons of wrinkles.

But I think the OP e-mailed Cantillon and they said it was fake. So there's that.

 

Yup! Not-so-great pic here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jedwards/5002953306/in/set-72157623794938018/

 

Yeah I know it's not impossible. But it just doesn't strike me as common given how little profit is involved for the effort. If someone wants to make money scamming people, there are probably better ways to do it. I believe that the amount of counterfeiting is nonzero, but low enough that the odds of getting duped aren't that great.

 

still photoshopping probably. Funny enough, Jean confirmed the story from the OP asking about the counterfeit labels. However, Jean mentions in the email that the OP asked for labels with square edges versus round edges. With all the details the OP gave about the counterfeit label, he forget the most " obvious" difference, the round edges of the label, which could also be easily capture on camera as well.... very visible by the naked eye I would say. Also Jean didn't receive any pictures and stated that there are many false rumours about Cantillon, and unfortunately, this will not be the last one.

 

I guess that was sort of my point -- there's no reason to think that Cantillon actually knows exactly what a real label looks like, particularly given their history of weird/inaccurate/misapplied labels. We know they weren't sent pictures, and it sounds like the labels weren't applied by them anyways.

I really don't think there's any way to know on this without significantly more detail from the person in Belgium who traded them.

 

I too want to see cbeer do this. He makes it seem so easy and profitable. If I'm counterfeiting anything it wouldn't be a $100 range bottle. That's just a waste of time.

 

The 02' Malvasia was re-labeled with a MS Word/avery label over a de boeck base label, with a torn schaerbeekse label somewhere in the middle.

 

Nope, the didn't say that, see my post above

 

Just very quickly poking I found one user with 5 bottles either currently for sale or recently sold, and that's only in the last 90 days. This is for an extremely popular beer that was released over 6 months ago via absurdly thin distribution. That doesn't strike you as a bit odd?

I've seen plenty of other fishy examples out there, much like the aforementioned Blabaer.

A smart scammer isn't going to list 10 bottles at once, and they are probably going to have multiple accounts going too.

 

I believe some JCN have 2010 corks