Who brews it anyway?

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  1. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Guinness was brewed in the United States at one point... consumers didn't like that!!!

    - Will Anderson, "From Beer To Eternity" pg. 52 "For fifteen years, from 1939 to 1954, Guinness's Stout was brewed right here in the U.S.A. In Long Island City, New York".
     
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  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I think the point of this thread has been missed. Breweries are now using the names of other breweries on beers that those breweries never brewed! That's quite different than contracting it out.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You might be interested in knowing that sometime soon 21st Amendment will be brewing their own beers (vs. brewing at Cold Springs). The broke ground on their new brewery a few months ago (July 10. 2014): http://21st-amendment.com/breaking-ground-in-san-leandro/

    I seem to recall that they made the decision for a change due to beer quality reasons. Oh, here is the quote: “Building our own local brewery will allow us to continue to focus on improving quality and consistency, and to expand into new markets where our beer is in demand.”

    Above is from: http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...leandro-california-production-brewery.154331/

    Cheers!
     
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  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    A local had 12 packs of Guinness Extra Stout on sale for $12. I picked it up knowing full well where it was brewed and damn -- if I didn't like it as much as I always have! :slight_smile:
     
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  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    In the days of InBev we used to say Beck's is brewed from English ingredients by a Belgian company and sold as German!

    A sore point among many drinkers in the UK is that Greene King has taken over many breweries and purports to still brew them.So from one street in Bury StEdmunds comes Ruddle's , Morland's , Ridley's , Tolly Cobbold's and Hardy's & Hanson's.All of course brewed by Greene King and only superficially resembling the original beers of the same names.
     
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    At least it's truly 'imported' if it comes from Canada :wink:.
     
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  7. Flibber

    Flibber Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 England

    You also see "brewed in the EU" a lot.
     
  8. smutty33

    smutty33 Pooh-Bah (2,172) Jun 12, 2009 Connecticut
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    @jesskidden

    Isn't Heineken and Bass brewed somewhere in New York?

    Cheers
     
  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The Guinness brewed in the US was Guinness Extra Stout, while the imported Guinness in the US at the time (before, after and actually during the time they had the US brewery in L.I.C., NY) was Guinness Foreign Extra Stout. You can see a pamphlet and a letter explaining it - along with labels - on my page Guinness in America.

    Yeah, but there have been examples of breweries licensing a brand name (i.e., "brewed under license") and brewing a beer different from the original/domestic version. The most infamous being Miller's version of Lowenbrau in the 1970-1990's, and there was even a Lowenbrau Malt Liquor line extension. And Guinness licensed Goebel in the US to brew Guinness Ale and a Guinness Lager Beer in the 1950's as noted in my Guinness page I linked to above.

    And Carling's>Heileman's US-brewed Tuborg Gold of the same era was not the same recipe as Danish Carlsberg's Tuborg. In addition, many imports into the US have been "export versions" brewed to appeal to what the brewers thought US imported beer drinkers expected - sometimes with added adjuncts for "lightness", sometimes with a higher ABV, etc. Classic example was the imported and domestically-brewed (by BBC and The Lion) versions of Mackeson Triple Stout, but also beers like Bass, various Guinness stouts, Smithwicks, and, supposedly, Beck's exported to the US were different recipes/export versions than those sold in their home countries.

    Another example of the "not brewed domestically" beers are/were ABInBev's US-brewed Alexander Keith labels -
    Nova Scotia Style Lager - Nova Scotia Style Pale Ale - The Nova Scotia Style Brown Ale

    Bass Ale, as an ABInBev-owned brand, is brewed in AB's Baldwinsville, NY brewery (as is [or, maybe, was?] another example for the OP - a Bass Stout).

    But Heineken is still strictly a Dutch import in the US as it always has been (well, supposedly, it was briefly imported from Heineken's brewery in Java during WWII but that soon ended as the war in the Pacific heated up).
     
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  10. JDoogle

    JDoogle Crusader (477) Oct 23, 2008 Rhode Island

    I was shocked to hear That the Budweiser factory in St Louis brews for Sam Adams. I found out by seeing a Boston lager tap at the Budweiser Bar at the St. Louis Airport
     
  11. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I can't find the documentation, but isn't Shipyard's Old Thumper the same recipe as the UK Ringwood Brewery's Old Thumper? I know Alan Pugsley studied with Ringwood's brewer, Peter Austin and got permission to brew the beer here in the US.

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  12. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I just came across another one, not surprisingly, by Labatt USA. "Labatt Blue Royale Light" is an entirely American product which has nothing to do with Labatt in Canada.

    It's a strong "light" beer at 6.1% abv/141 calories and seems aimed at competing with Bud Light Platinum which has a similar profile alcohol and calorie profile, and just happens to come in a blue glass bottle as well. I certainly hope that trend doesn't take off or we'll have to have a new category - American "light" Malt Liquor!
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I can't tell if this is an attempt at facetiousness, but I'm pretty sure A-B doesn't brew beer for the Boston Beer Co. From Wikipedia alone:
    As @jesskidden has oft posted.

    *We like to call those breweries, but since you were referencing A-B I think it can slide. :wink:
     
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  14. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Wow then that's really impressive how they can still get that signature skunked beyond all hell aroma and flavor Beck's is known for without even having it shipped across the pond. They must age the beer in those green glass bottles for at least six months in order to accomplish that feat. Either that or they lay it out in uncovered vats in direct sunlight for a couple weeks before bottling.
     
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  15. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    That would be shocking! At one point Sam Adams was contract brewed by Miller, and a few others, but never by Anheuser-Busch.
     
  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Or your retailer is screwing you by leaving all of those green bottles on the top shelf under all the light.
     
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  17. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    It would be interesting to have @Sixpoint weigh in on this, since I know they are engaged in this site often.
     
  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    He already did. I linked to Sixpoint's reply about using City - Memphis after leaving The Lion in my post.
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/favorite-sixpoint-brew.154141/page-11#post-2450691
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    So, because you found a Samuel Adams brand beer at a bar operated by HMSHost (which also runs the Bell's Brewhouse restaurant at a Michigan airport) that apparently licenses the "Budweiser" brand and other AB trademarks, you assume SA beer was brewed by AB? :rolling_eyes:
     
  20. smanson56

    smanson56 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Feb 15, 2014 New Hampshire
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    You know if you walk in and pick your beer up at the brewery it pretty much solves all the problems at least here in NH it does!
     
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