Do you drink 'Outstanding' beers on average?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pagriley, Dec 15, 2014.

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  1. TCJ0100

    TCJ0100 Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2014 California

    Considering my standby beers are Schlafly's IPA's, SNPA, Sierra Nevada Stout, Founder's Porter, and Stone IPA. I would say yes.
     
  2. Fox82791

    Fox82791 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2014 New York

    Love this. Totally with you.
     
  3. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    I don't think it seems skewed at all, and I think you answered your own question as to why in your post. A lot of craft beers are actually really good. It's not easy to brew a good beer, but it's easy to spot a bad one. Nobody is going to invest the money, go through the labeling process, scale up production, find distribution, etc. for a beer that hasn't been vetted by a group of knowledgeable people who think it's a really good beer.

    The rating system doesn't really account for the fact that you're likely never going to encounter a 1 or 2 unless it's been stored incorrectly, the rater is unfairly grading a style they just don't like, or you're trying your neighbor's first batch of homebrew he's making with the kit he got for Christmas.
     
  4. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    for drinking at home, if it isn't outstanding, I'll likely go find something that is.
    Life's too short.
     
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  5. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    Agreed - but you are also very unlikely to come across a beer rated a 3-3.5 as well - less than 10% of American IPAs with more than ~150 reviews are 3.5 or below.

    Now I agree with @Shroud0fdoom that an undrinkable beer is a 1, but it feels like the 2's and 3's aren't ever used much - I mean the intent is to rate the beer within the given style, so it isn't like I am comparing a SN Torpedo to bud light - I am comparing it to all the other American IPAs I could try, so it seems odd that there are only good ones out there - where are the average IPAs?
     
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  6. fureousangel

    fureousangel Initiate (0) May 19, 2012 California

    For me personally, I just drink really good beer. I'm fortunate to live five minutes away from Beachwood Brewing, a thirty minute drive and I can hit an absurd amount of craft beer bars, breweries and tap rooms, and in two hours I can be in San Diego.

    As a result, pretty much, unless I'm trying something new, everything is just an outstanding beer. At least for me.
     
  7. josmickam

    josmickam Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 Georgia

    The chart made my afternoon.
     
  8. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    Hey, I love data and at heart enjoy digging deeper into this sort of thing. I have one-upped my IPA chart already.
    I am in the middle of looking at the same thing by beer style - Pils and Pale Lagers are getting crushed - super low relative ratings:

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    Huge difference in how the ratings stack up, so there is clearly a style thing going on - either some styles are extremely difficult / easy to make well, or there is a skew due to preference for certain styles by raters
     
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  9. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    Another chart if people are interested. This one includes any beer with 30 or more ratings for the given styles.

    The red dots are the median ratings, and the 2 bars show the % of each style with beers over a 4.0 and a 3.75:

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    Looks like there is a huge skew for some styles - basically you will have a very hard time finding a bad imperial IPA or imperial Stout, but there are very few world class or outstanding Lagers... Seems to be a big skew in ratings by style
     
  10. mschrei

    mschrei Grand Pooh-Bah (5,137) Jul 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Yes, I drink a lot of Pipeworks.
     
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  11. bowzer4birdie

    bowzer4birdie Grand Pooh-Bah (3,796) Aug 16, 2012 Illinois
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    90% of my beers are 4.0 rating or higher.
     
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  12. freewill35

    freewill35 Pooh-Bah (1,676) Oct 27, 2007 Indiana
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    Yes I do. I only buy beers that got a 90 or higher whenever I go out of town to my favorite liquor store. I'll buy whatever when I buy local.
     
  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    What seems to happen with the styles is that some are less popular and so average lower ratings (lower parts of the scale in use) across the board. Some of those styles (e.g., Pilsner beers) are said by many brewers to be more difficult to get right than are the ales characterized by big bold flavors. Also folks who are newly engaged tend to favor the big bold flavors as it takes a while to train the palate to appreciate the flavors and complexity of other styles. Perhaps it would be worth looking at ratings of styles as a function of amount of time spent in reviewing, sampling, etc.
     
  14. pagriley

    pagriley Pooh-Bah (2,382) Oct 27, 2014 Illinois
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    I think you are proposing it is a combination of the fact that some lager styles are harder to brew very well, and that reviewers in general (ie the average BA'er) favor bolder flavors and hence bigger styles skew up. I plotted the distributions below (a bit messy) and most of them (with the exception of pale lager) are pretty much normal - just shifted up or down depending on the style, so I think you are right - it is a shift in the use of the scale:

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  15. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    If it is a 1 to 5 scale, 3 is dead center.
     
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  16. SteveB24

    SteveB24 Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2013 New York

    Do you check reviews before purchases, or else usually by beers from respected brewers or hyped up, popular beers? if so then you're like me, you're buying beers that you'll probably like. i imagine only people who buy lots of beer randomly with no regard to score or personal taste would have an average score that's, well, average. it makes perfect sense that your average score is high because if you're buying beer that's widely considered to be above average.
     
  17. stephens101

    stephens101 Pooh-Bah (2,778) May 5, 2006 Oklahoma
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    You guys are worse than record collectors! Trust me, I am one:slight_smile:
     
  18. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    I pretty much just drink world class beer
     
  19. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No, because zero is not a possible score.
     
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  20. Wardo

    Wardo Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2012 Illinois

    With all the outstanding choices out there, life is too short to drink average beer. It's really not that hard to drink outstanding beer on a regular basis, even with a budget. Granted, it'll never be a BudLight budget :wink:
     
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