Inherent Flaw In Session IPA's

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  1. Stignacious

    Stignacious Pooh-Bah (1,878) Aug 24, 2011 New York
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    If I had access to ESB's or Milds that weren't out of date, I would jump on that bandwagon in a second. Sadly, I go with whatever's freshest
     
  2. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Dude. That ridiculous.
     
  3. racer2k

    racer2k Pundit (895) May 21, 2004 Massachusetts

    Agree. I am don't normally seek out so called "session beers" but I happened to try Pinner and it was the best I have had so far..Yes a lighter ABV IPA but the hop profile is complex and very present. Highly recommended!
     
  4. Dustin_Sallitt

    Dustin_Sallitt Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2014 New Jersey

    Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but Boat beer by Carton is an unbelievable session ipa. BA has it rated as the 40 something best apa, but with all due respect, that's a joke. A must try.
     
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  5. devilmakesthree

    devilmakesthree Pundit (889) Nov 27, 2013 Oregon
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    Breakside Lunchbreak is the only session IPA I've really been able to get into.
     
  6. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    Any idea why there are separate styles on this site for English Pale Ale, Bitter and English IPA? How do the British categorize pale ale?
     
  7. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    But the original IPAs were session beers.
     
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  8. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Just saw a session Tripel in the supermarket today: 3.8% ABV. Then again, I am in Belgium.
     
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  9. edd562

    edd562 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2014 California

    theres a reason i look for a fantastic IPA... Hops and Abv. Sessions just are not what i want...
     
  10. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    You've obviously never tasted a beer with a shit-load of Goldings.
     
  11. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    That's not true. In the 19th century British beer was the strongest in the world. Low-gravity British beer only evolved after 1916.
     
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  12. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    And they used over half the world's entire hop production too.
     
  13. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    On behalf of everyone I know I would like to thank you guys for inventing the hopped up ale we really enjoy to drink here today.

    You are someone who has shown a great appreciation for session beer, as well as great knowledge about beer in general. What do you think is the secret(s) to brewing a full flavored, well hopped, low ABV ale that isn't watery and insubstantial, and is still pleasant and refreshing?

    Cheers!
     
  14. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    but in all fairness...take the carbonation out of a beer and drink it warm, and you will taste A LOT more flavor

    cold temperature and co2 rob a beer of its flavor....American session IPAs are drank cold and carbonated, whereas UK cask beer is nearly flat and cellar temperature or warmer
     
  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    My goodness. You certainly have a lot of contempt for some of your friends, neighbors and family members.
     
  16. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Well thanks for the clarification. Anyway, in my travels as a young fellow I remember very flavorful beer with lowish alcohol to be common all around England. It was very pleasant. The point is that beer need not be 8% to be tasty.
    What were the ABVs on those ales shipped to India during the colonial era?
     
  17. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    They are just Pale Ales but often called Bitters and if the colour is right, Golden Ales.There are IPAs but these also include 20th century IPA which had nothing to do with lots of hops.Very often a pump clip will give details such as "a pale hoppy ale"


    Yes, UK beer was massively hopped before WW1. Ron ( @patto1ro ) has published a recipe for a Scotch Ale taken from the Younger's record book.It computes as 122 IBU. And we all know that the Scots didn't use that many hops, don't we ?
    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1879-william.html
    The secrets are to use the best raw materials you can find, a suitable yeast and if possible cask conditioning. These shade the odds so a 4% ABV beer can pretend to be 5.5 or 6%.
    I was talking to an ex brewer who a few years ago moved to Michigan and although he loves the beer there feels it doesn't fight its weight.He does some homebrewing and his friends are convinced his beers are much stronger than the 4.5% ABV he aims for.In particular he feels that a lot of commercial beers are brewed with neutral yeasts whereas a lot more flavour is possible if these could be changed.
     
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  18. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    The Chico strain, et al, leaves a crisp clean IPA but it really robs the beer of potential flavor.
     
  19. whiskey

    whiskey Maven (1,308) Feb 25, 2012 California
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    It kills me how butthurt so many grown men get.

    There are actually posts of people upset because someone is "talking bad about" or "bashing" a beer style, or "feel free to not drink them then, kthxbye".

    It's a beer discussion board for fuck's sake!!!!!!!!! Jeebus.
     
  20. PorterPro125

    PorterPro125 Pooh-Bah (1,700) Jan 19, 2013 Canada (NB)

    I've only had four or five Session IPA's so my experience with the style is quite limited but I do agree that the general consensus is a lack of flavour. I have, however, found one particular Session IPA that tastes like an incredible IPA with a 4.3% ABV.

    That beer is Muskoka Detour (Classified under American IPA here on BA)

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/661/112687/?ba=bigox420

    Thanks to this beer and what others are saying about Session IPA's in general, I feel that I will be generally disappointed with all other examples of the style.
     
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