No love for Kolsch?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BourbonJersey, Jul 11, 2015.

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  1. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

    Nah its a regular Kölsch abv if it wasn't doubt they'd call it that probably change it to cream ale or something
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Pilsener
    Bock
    Doppelbock
    Maibock
    Helles Bock
    Märzen / Oktoberfest
    Barleywine
    Bitter
    Brown Ale
    India Pale Ale
    Porter
    Stout
    Extra Special / Strong Bitter
    Russian Imperial Stout
    Altbier
    Weissbier
    Dunkelweizen
    Gose
    Hefeweizen
    Wee Heavy

    None of these are brewed in the USA exclusively in the traditional European style. Why all the butt hurt over Americanized Kölsch? Some protectionist pseudo-copyright German law? Really?
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I shall set my timer to see how long until marquis posts.

    Cheers!

    P.S. And I will make a BIG tub of popcorn too!!:wink:
     
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  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    If you brew something so far from what the original style is, but still feel the need to call it what you want, more power to you -- I guess. But If I was to ask for a Kölsch and got that weird coffee abomination, I'd ask for my money back.
     
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  5. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Well, the above referenced Huss beer is called "Koffee Kölsch" according to their web site, so no one should expect this to conform to the German traditional recipe. The same brewery also makes "Scottsdale Blonde", which they describe as "German style Kolsch" (without the "ö"), which you might expect to be a bit closer to the German style as interpreted by an Arizona brewer.

    Adding coffee to a Kölsch is no more an abomination (IMO) than adding coffee to an IPA or a stout, and there are plenty those that are highly rated on this site.
     
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  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    With certain styles, the horse has simply left the barn. Those styles are yelling, "Forget about me... it's too late, save yourself!" Craft brewers are voraciously looking at any unfashionable styles left to screw with. It's closing time and their beer goggles are on. Will cream ale be spared? Signs point to "No." Meanwhile, some folks are finally realizing that they can't let every single style be corrupted, and they hang onto whatever little remains with religious zealotry. Can you blame them for wanting just one corner left untouched? I can't tell how much I'm kidding and how serious I am. I just know that I'd love to be in Cologne right now.
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    See, we can agree! :slight_smile:

    As to ratings, Trumps poll numbers tell all. :wink:
     
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  8. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    LOL! Ain't that the truth!
     
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  9. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    I'm sure it may be a good beer, but it's not a Kölsch.
     
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  10. Snubnoze

    Snubnoze Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2015 California

    It has nothing to do with the Reinheitsgebot which I'm not a fan of personally. It has to do with taste. The ingredients and the way it's brewed contribute to the flavor, obviously.
     
  11. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Kölsch Konvention, not Reinheitsgebot.
     
  12. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    It isn't a psuedo-copyright law, it's genuine EU law. Yes, it's a sort of copyright issue but what's wrong with that ? A group wishing to preserve the integrity and identity of a product.It's not a contentious issue in any way. I can build a car in any way I choose but if I try to call it a Ford I'm soon in trouble.The Chinese are well known for selling non-genuine copies of US articles and you are rightly annoyed by this. Yet it's apparently OK to pass off a protected beer style because "we're not in the EU and don't have to show any respect for the owners"
    The whole point of the Konvention is that drinkers should know what they are buying. It doesn't restrict any brewer in any way regarding what to make, just what the result is called.
    No need, a small tub will do :slight_smile:
     
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  13. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    "Psuedo" because they want everyone to respect the name AS IF it was copyrighted (or, I should have said, trademarked - like your Ford example), without actually giving the name any internationally recognized IP protection (again, unlike Ford). Using this logic, I suppose, no American brewers should be allowed to use the name "bier" or "beer" due to Reinheitsgebot?

    The Reinheitsgebot was struck down as "protectionist" by the EU for application outside of Germany due to a action brought by French brewers. Paticularly ironic given the protection the name "champaigne" has in sparkling wine.

    The horse is out of the barn on getting the name trademarked. Maybe they can follow the French model and pout until protection is built into international treaties.
     
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  14. keenan41

    keenan41 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2005 New York
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    I've been spoiled from drinking kolsch in Cologne. I've had to go there a handful of times for work and I haven't found a great American example that compares. Drinking from a 7 oz stange out of the kranz (?) really adds to the experience.
     
  15. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The words "honesty" and "respect" seem to have been replaced by "arrogance" and "disregard". Just what is the prospective buyer of "Kolsch" going to expect now that it can be anything a brewer decides? Fraud is fraud however you dress it up.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am half-way through my BIG tub of popcorn!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    They'd probably just call it an Imperial Koelsch. Kind of like how this is called an Imperial Helles at 9%...

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/3818/43738/
     
  18. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Yeah, those ugly Americans!

    There is no International Grand Poobah controlling the "proper" use of beer style names.

    And, it is not just Americans: http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/18111/44496/ (I'm sure there are more examples for anyone motivated to search ...)
     
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  19. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    That's true , beer styles evolve which is why it's impossible to pin down exactly what constitutes an IPA for example. But something like a Kolsch, where its founders did all they could to ensure that future examples would follow the criteria they laid down isn't your ordinary "it just happened" style.As I keep saying there is no restriction regarding the beer you brew. But please respect their wishes regarding the name Kolsch.Why is it so difficult to show this much respect is beyond me.Doing the right thing without being forced to is ethics , it's unethical if not illegal (in the US) to pass off a beer as Kolsch.
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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