How does a IPA that is over a year-old have some complexity?

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  1. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    I am drinking a New Belgium Ranger IPA that is dated as 'Enjoy By 30Nov14'; the beer sat in my kitchen for over a year after I bought it at the store, and I only recently put it in the fridge; so I know it 'aged' roughly a year while in my kitchen (year round temps 65F - 76F), although the 'ageing' was not intentional.

    This beer is clearly not fresh. What little aroma there is smells nothing like an IPA, but instead reminds me faintly of dark fruits, and there is considerably more bitterness in the finish than there should be; further, I get a mildly unpleasant flavor, which I think is probably described as 'wet cardboard'.

    I am still learning how to identify and describe flavors in beverages, but there is something else in here, something pleasant that I would not expect in a 6.5% year-old IPA, perhaps something mildly fruity, or perhaps something reminiscent of citrus--not surprising for an IPA, but surprising for one over a year old. The overall flavor profile is not exactly something I want (or would seek out) in an IPA, and yet, parts of it ended up being a nice surprise. Perhaps it's the 'skunk' flavor I have heard about that sometimes results from too much exposure to light (although this particular beer was stored in a, primarily, dark place in my kitchen)?

    Interesting to wonder what it would taste like after another year; before this experience my guess would be that it would not be drinkable; yet, perhaps it would be. I guess it ultimately depends on what I want out of the particular beer I drink.

    This experience got me to wondering, have any of you had similar pleasant or surprising experiences with IPA's with some age on them?
     
  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    It is probably not "skunk" since if you've ever smelled a real skunk you'd recognize that very unpleasant smell immediately as soon as you opened the bottle and caught the first whiff.

    As for the other part of your thoughts, I once bought a case of DFH 90 min. IPA that I deliberately drank over 10 months. My review on this site was written during the 9th month.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/64/2093/?ba=drtth
     
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  3. lambpasty

    lambpasty Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 New Hampshire

    If you get a beer that's skunked you'll know it, it literally smells like a skunk's spray. Chemically the scent is extremely similar if not identical (someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in perhaps).

    I've personally never had an IPA and said "you know, this would be better aged", but I've had malty-hoppy beers (think Brown Shugga) that I've let sit and, because the malt backbone is well constructed, they can be quite enjoyable even with 8-12+ months on them. Since the aromatics from the hops have all but completely fallen away, the malt is allowed to shine though, which is where those dark fruit/toffee/caramel etc flavors come from.
     
  4. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    I had a Kona Fire Rock pale ale that was something like 5 years old once. A store somehow found or acquired an old batch and was selling them for about a buck a bottle.

    Feeling adventurous, I bought one. It was like a light barleywine, sort of. Certainly not the awful, undrinkable thing I was fearing. That being said, I wouldn't do it again.
     
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  5. AmeriCanadian

    AmeriCanadian Pooh-Bah (1,982) Jul 5, 2014 Tennessee
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    A few years back I accidentally tucked away a sixer of Lagunitas Brown Shugga in a dark corner of the basement for over 12 months and actually loved the resulting product when I compared it side by side against freshies. Doesn't hold the same surprise factor as your experience, as what was normally a very well balanced bitter/sweet beer became much more tilted toward sweet, which is what you'd expect. But I really liked the result, and would even argue that the mellowed citrus, pine, and sharpness, and increased sweetness and caramel maltiness, made for a tastier overall beer. And I didn't notice any kind of skunking or souring of the beer.
     
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    From what I've heard it is the same chemical that produces the same smell in both cases.
     
  7. CJNAPS

    CJNAPS Pooh-Bah (2,492) Nov 3, 2013 California
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    Most IPA's that sit around start to taste like a Barleywine.
     
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  8. Dansac

    Dansac Pundit (912) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    I think Maharajah and Knuckle Sandwich make okay hyper-hoppy barleywines when aged. Not great.
     
  9. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    Barleywine
     
  10. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    wet cardboard is right on for oxidation, but sometimes oxidation can impart a mild vinous or dark fruit (plum, date, raisin, etc.) character that could be a positive attribute to some tastes. Do you think that could be the "mildly fruity" flavor you taste? This aspect of oxidation is usually associated with darker beers like stouts, porters, old ales, and some barleywines, but I guess it could probably happen with an aged IPA too.

    Alternatively, it could just be a mild fruity character of the malts that was always there, but masked by the more intense hops when it was fresh.
     
  11. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Oh, stop it! No!
     
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  12. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Personally, I don't find hops very complex at all. I think they, individually, give very narrow range of flavors, that obviously, when combined give a variety. If you find yourself enjoying this beer, thank the malt bill and yeast. A buddy and I go in every year on a bunch (generally a couple cases) of Celebration, that we drink throughout the year. The beer stays very enjoyable throughout all the changes.
     
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  13. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Yes, the "mildly fruity" flavor somewhat reminds me of what I commonly find in much higher ABV beers (RIS, American Strong Ale, Barleywine, Old Ale) with about a year of age on them, but those 'dark fruit' flavors were not as pronounced in the Ranger IPA.

    And I like your speculation that perhaps the hops masked a mild fruity character of the malts; interesting possibility. Thanks!
     
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  14. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    How does a IPA that is over a year-old have some complexity?
    These flavors can develop regardless of the style some are more prone than others given the conditions are right:
    • Bitterness decreases
    • Harshness increases
    • Fruity and floral esters decrease
    • Ribes (catty/black currant character) increase
    • Wet paper/cardboard character increases
    • Bready character increases
    • Sweetness (toffee/honey) increases
    • Metallic character increases
    • Earthy character increases
    • Straw character increases
    • Woody character increases
    • Vinuous character (wine/sherry/stale fruit) increases
    • Meaty-like/brothy flavors can develop
     
  15. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I see complexity used all over the place, im kinda wondering what's driving this description, and what it actually is. It's beer, it's usually pretty straight forward IMO, IPAs can be heavy and pine or light and citrus. Stouts can be chocolate , coffee or whatever adjunct they infuse, Bourbon here IMO is always nice. Maybe I'm lacking the palate, but ive never had a head scratcher of a beer or had some type of epifeny after drinking one.
     
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  16. CheapHysterics

    CheapHysterics Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Except that barleywine is good and old IPAs usually aren't. Let a SNPA sit around for 2 years and you don't get Bigfoot.
     
  17. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Thanks for the input. Put as you did above, it makes my question sound silly. : }

    Perhaps, the surprise for me was that the complexity had more pleasant changes than unpleasant ones.
     
  18. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I just realized another possible way a fruity character can develop in beer is if there is infection. If you've had any sour beers it would be reminiscent of those flavors... tart citrus or tart cherry. Did it foam up more than usual when you popped the cap? Given how old the beer is if it's infected it would have to be a very mild and slow acting infection. Don't worry, drinking an beer infected beer won't hurt you.
     
  19. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    Hey that is why i said before in a similar thread regarding freshness
    Cheers
     
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  20. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    I hear you. For me, a big part of the fun of drinking craft beer (not all the beer I drink is craft) is really taking in all the beer has to offer me, in that moment. For example, where we are (in terms of our mental and emotional states) in our lives is constantly changing. So how I experience a beer on one particular day, can vary slightly (or greatly) after having the same beer a day, a week, or a year later. Those changes are meaningful to me.

    The often subtle differences I pick up in different beers that are the same 'type' (like IPA) are also meaningful to me, including differences that are due to the aging (Usually NOT an IPA, but a RIS, barleywine, or other some high ABV beer). As the ingredients in the beer slowly interact, and perhaps meld, some flavors that were not prominent become more so, and others fade away; I have found that over time, many beers that were fairly straight forward in their flavor profile when young, later develop more nuances of flavor and mouth-feel; that is at least how I would describe the 'complexity' I sometimes find in beer (and other beverages as well).
     
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