What's the deal with Bocks?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Groenebeor, Feb 27, 2016.

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  1. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    I've always had the impression that bocks are quite popular in Germany, or at least were at one time. I also found that before prohibition, bocks were one the most popular types of lagers as well - Coors made one even!

    What about now?

    Bocks are super hard to find in the US, either being quite regional in their releases, or seasonal. Many of the top bocks when sorted by hads on this website get a lot of complaints about not being true bocks either! I don't mind Sam Adam's Winter Lager, but I'd rather the spices they add to it be left out.

    What's the deal? What easy to find "bocks" represent the style?

    It's hard for me to judge, because I've never once seen a German bock on tap or in bottle anywhere. I've seen tons of Doppelbocks, and even Eisbocks. Many breweries also do spring seasonal maibocks - I'm enjoying one right now matter of fact.
     
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  2. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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  3. Ri0

    Ri0 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin

    They are easier to find in MN and WI. Enjoying a Maibock that is right on style!
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  4. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    You're singing my song, man! It's a woefully underrepresented style. They are easier on the palate than the Doppelbocks, obviously, with a more sturdy platform of malt than the Maibocks. Kind of like the best of all worlds. Thankfully I can get Einbecker in fairly good condition.

    The American-style ones were fairly popular up until the early 80s, but even those are quite different from the Traditional Bock (essentially a slightly stronger AAL with caramel coloring added). There are some versions around, like Shiner and Genesee, but they won't scratch the itch if you're craving a more 'proper' one.
     
  5. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    For one, it's listed as a Maibock

    Secondly, it is an ale! Dead Guy is top fermented with their Pacman yeast.

    Thirdly, it's Rogue. Who recommends Rogue anymore?

    That's a Maibock....
     
  6. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    I've not seen Einbecher in years, unfortunately. Considering it's from Einbeck, the home of bocks, I'm sure that's the standard I should judge any other bocks by right?
     
  7. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Oh yeah, it's rock solid, exactly what a bock should be.
     
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  8. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    I'll try to get some when I can, for sure.

    I've had Shiner plenty of times, but I almost feel like it's more of a "session" bock than a real bock.
     
  9. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah- it helps if you look at it as something different and apart from the German version.
     
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  10. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    That's something I learned early on with 90% of German style beers brewed in the US. The ones that get it right are so, so nice. I still can't thank SN enough for Kellerweis.
     
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  12. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Another thing to consider is maybe getting some of the lighter Doppelbocks, like Augustiner Maximator or Schloss Eggenberg, beers I generally think of as a 'bock-and-a-half'. They will get you closer to the Traditional Bock style than Ayinger or Spaten, etc., at least flavorwise.
     
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  13. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    I was just thinking that! I was taking a look at the ABVs, and felt that some of these "doppelbocks" were more in line with the German bocks. Unlike Americans, it seems in Germany that the stronger brew is only 1-2% stronger, instead of up to 4-5% with double stouts and DIPAs

    Ayinger's "doppelbock" is even lower at 6.7%. Einbecker's bock is at 6.5%.
     
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  14. Ozzylizard

    Ozzylizard Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,419) Oct 5, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    What's the deal with bocks? They are delicious, that's what! I think the only issue is that the Murican taste Bud has been so conditioned to light flavorless beers that the color and malty goodness are things Joe Sixpack just can't tolerate any more. Those of us that actually like "dark" beers (ie @TongoRad and me, among others on this site) really don't have a big selection to choose from. Add to that the seasonality of these brews, and your chances of consistently finding good examples can be disheartening - there's no plethora, Pepe. Add to that the apparently uncontrollable urge on a lot of brewers' part to "Americanize" this classic style (or any style, for that matter) by adding tons of hops, pulped kumquats, Brettanomyces sp, or whatever they have in the storeroom is going to have the purists crying "Foul". My advice would be to find a readily available variant and suck down as many as possible. Oh, by the way:

    http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/bockfest
     
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  15. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California


    If I followed where the beer I like is brewed, I'd live in Ohio or something up there.

    If I followed my favorite food, I'd be split between Memphis, TN, and California.

    If I followed my desire to have awesome places to hike, I'd be in Utah.

    I suppose I can solve the food by making it at home, and I do.

    I guess this is just one more point on my list of reasons why I want to start homebrewing.
     
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  16. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    They tend to be sweet and often have the "Soy Sauce" glutamate flavor defect.

    So it is just easier to brew a proper Lager than it is a Bock.
     
  17. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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  18. angemyma

    angemyma Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Troegs makes a Spring seasonal Bock, Cultivator, which is very good, and a Doppelbock (Troegenator) year round which is lovely. They also do bocks semi often as part of their scratch series.
     
  19. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    @mudbug , Rogue's Dead Guy Ale is an APA in every respect.
     
  20. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Except here and at the brewery and at Rate Beer, I'm sure you are correct and they will change their tune directly.
     
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