5000 year old beer recipe found by archaeologists

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  1. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    Nice read...thanks for sharing.

    The analyzation of beer-stone for ingredient formulation has come a long way in the past 20 years.

    As an added bonus, I learned about Job's Tears.
     
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  2. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    I can almost hear Sam Calagione discussing the possibilities with his staff.
     
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  3. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I hope another ancient ale gets made. I don't think any of them are great but they are interesting beers to try.
     
  4. drew42e

    drew42e Crusader (430) Mar 31, 2015 California

    ISO: 5000yr old Liquid gold w/ Vanilla, coffee and cacao nibs
     
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  5. PhilsPils

    PhilsPils Pundit (757) Feb 11, 2010 Texas

    5000 years? NB "Ranger" tastes older than that...
     
  6. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    from the NPR article: "

    "For instance, the scientists found a pottery stove, which the ancient brewers would have heated to break down carbohydrates to sugar. And the brewery's underground location was important for both storing beer and controlling temperature — too much heat can destroy the enzymes responsible for that carb-to-sugar conversion, explains Patrick McGovern, a biomolecular archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania Museum in Philadelphia, who was not involved in the current research.

    All indications are that ancient peoples, [including those at this Chinese dig site], applied the same principles and techniques as brewers do today," says McGovern, who is known as the "Indiana Jones" of ancient fermented beverages."

    Interesting stuff, man. Beer is one of civilization's great enablers in so many ways.
     
  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I've heard the man talk about his work to a lay audience. Fascinating stuff. (The event also included a sampling of Kvasir from the first run of bottles. :slight_smile:)

    BTW, he's the "Dr. Pat" whose been involved with working out the recipes for the Ancient Ales series from Dogfish Head, where they take a shot at doing a modern recreation of some of the things he's found (e.g., Midas Touch is based on analysis of scrapings from pottery found in and around what is thought to be the tomb of King Midas). Fascinating stuff. I'd recommend looking at a copy of Uncorking the Past which covers both wine and beer.
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I get to hear him next month, should an interesting talk.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. Good speaker, interesting subject.

    If you show up with a copy of one of his books, say Uncorking the Past (currently available used on Amazon for about $10), you may be able to get him to sign the title page.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    He will be at the NHC err, now HomebrewCon in Baltimore, and speaking with Ken Schramm. He will be signing books at a scheduled time.
     
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  11. The_Kriek_Freak

    The_Kriek_Freak Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,217) Aug 18, 2014 Greenland
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    That's exactly what I thought too. And I guess why not? It would be fun to try to brew and drink.
     
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  12. counciloak

    counciloak Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2015 Indiana

    Yeah, but did they have a nuclear powered hop turbine? Another win for western civilization.
     
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  13. House_Common_Brewery

    House_Common_Brewery Initiate (0) May 26, 2016 Pennsylvania

    It almost make you wonder if they tried sanitation, if there were dedicated "groups" in the village for beer research, if it was sour from open fermentation...... So many questions...:-) definitely a fun, quick read!!!
     
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  14. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Considering that this was way before either germ theory or before anyone really knew what yeast was I would assume that sanitation was not a priority and it was probably open formented. I guess sours might have had hype for longer than we know.
     
  15. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    On point post, but don't forget in-state brewer Lost Rhino:
    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/symbiartic/bone-dusters-paleo-ale-brewed-from-real-fossils/
    http://www.lostrhino.com/bone-dusters-bull-amber-lager.html
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/25818/131387/

    Okay, not quite the same thing - but the commonality is "old" :wink:. Sam can re-create the recipie and Lost Rhino can use the "residue" :grinning:.
     
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  16. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    If this is recreated and turns out anything like a sahti, I'll take a few cases.

    Interesting to see evidence that cultivation of some grains was driven by beer production rather than hunger. Priorities straight indeed!
     
  17. connecticutpoet

    connecticutpoet Pooh-Bah (2,542) Jun 10, 2004 Connecticut
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    Just read this myself... I'd love to see how it would taste. I wonder if the tubers used to sweeten the mix would impart any other flavors. Personally I wouldn't like a vodka flavor in my beer.
     
  18. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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  19. Dvining

    Dvining Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Georgia

    I may have missed this, but is this recipe going to be released?
     
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