Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA - Poll #13 - Mash Temp Runoff

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Jun 3, 2016.

Tags:
?

What should the recommended Mash Temperature be?

Poll closed Jun 5, 2016.
  1. 150F

    37.7%
  2. 151F

    15.1%
  3. 152F

    47.2%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    > Poll #12 <- attempted to determine the recommended Mash Temperature, but there was no clear winner. See that poll for the explanation. This poll will be a runoff between 150F, 151F, and 152F.

    After this, we'll determine recommended Mash Length. These will be "recommended" because YMMV when it comes to making a wort with the attenuability needed to hit this recipe's numbers, so some may need different mash parameters. That said, the recommended numbers will be at least a starting place for less experienced brewers.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of the parameters needed to hit apparent attenuation between 80% and 81% with the grain bill and yeast strain already selected.

    Straight plurality wins this poll. If your first choice is losing badly and your last choice is winning, consider jumping to your second choice.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    The Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA Recipe so far...

    5 Gallons
    ABV: 6.5%
    OG: 1.062
    FG: 1.012
    Grain Bill:
    ---North American 2-Row Brewer's Malt (77%)
    ---Wheat Malt (10%)
    ---Flaked Oats (10%)
    ---Honey Malt (3%)
    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1318
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    The more I think about it, the more a lower mash temp makes sense. I think a longer than usual mash would also be beneficial.
     
  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Can I ask why you think that? Isn't the hallmark of the NEIPA it's mouthfeel?
     
  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    F
    FG 1.012. Mouth feel comes from Oats, Wheat, water, and yeast for these beers, or so I've read.
     
    FeDUBBELFIST and MrOH like this.
  5. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah

    Exactly
     
  6. kcq101

    kcq101 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2007 Pennsylvania

    While I agree mouthfeel is important and one of the defining characteristics of the style that we're trying to emulate, isn't it irrelevant for this poll, at this point?

    We've already voted/decided on OG, FG, ABV, yeast and malt bill. So this vote is an attempt to identify a mash temp that will provide for the right fermentable wort and, in turn, the 80ish% attenutation we need to acheive. Water profile, carbonation and, arguably, our hopping methods seem to be the only "dials" left to tweak for mouthfeel at this point.
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Despite what others are saying 1318 is capable of fermenting at those attenuation rates. We need to be careful as an over attenuated beer, even with adjuncts, will still have a thin mouthfeel.
     
    MmmmmmBeer123 likes this.
  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    For sure. Honestly, @VikeMan used to toss a lot of data points around a couple years ago that 151-152 actually created a more fermentable wort than 148-150.
     
  9. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    @VikeMan is this a bell curve distribution? I'd be interested in seeing a visual aid. I may change my vote accordingly.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    It's not really a perfect bell curve, but that's the basic idea, with 151F at the peak. BrewCipher uses Kai's data, as interpolated by @mattbk. Here are its multipliers relevant to this poll, with 151 being the base...

    150F 0.997513984
    151F 1.0
    152F 0.988396327
     
  11. MmmmmmBeer123

    MmmmmmBeer123 Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2015 Connecticut

    FWIW Here are my last few NEIPA batches' Initial Mash Temp / OG / FG / ABV / % Attenuation:

    - 150 / 1.065 / 1.007 / 7.6 / 89
    - 152 / 1.054 / 1.010 / 5.8 / 81
    - 154 / 1.062 / 1.012 / 6.6 / 81
    - 153 / 1.064 / 1.011 / 7.0 / 83


    For all of these batches, I have used WY1318 (with a starter), mashed for ~1-1.25h and fermented in my basement (temp range ~64-66F)

    The grain bill has been almost identical for all of these batches:
    -Maris Otter or 2-Row - 78-84%
    -Crystal 20L - 0-4%
    -White Wheat - 8-15%
    -Flaked Oats - 4%
     
  12. MmmmmmBeer123

    MmmmmmBeer123 Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2015 Connecticut

    Forgot to add above, the 150F mash batch was by far the thinnest mouthfeel of the 4 batches...
     
  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Looks like 154 is the sweet spot... :rolling_eyes:
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    152F it is.
     
    Reneejane likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.