J Wakefield Releases

Eventually, I'm sure we'll go that route, but like I mentioned in a previous post, it's too late in the game to go a route we've never gone. For now, date is still tentative, but from what we got directly drom the health department yesterday, apart from almost nothing, they did encourage Wynwood businesses to proceed as always. This isn't us guessing, or saying "fuck the CDC", it's the health department, who's working win the CDC, telling us this.

 

Fair enough. I appreciate the responsiveness, Harry. You've taken some lumps on here, primarily for stuff well beyond your control (and before your time at JWB), but thanks for staying active in this forum.

 

Much appreciated, + It's my pleasure, man. I've got nothing against anybody who's had issues in the past. I can only do what I can do, from now on. I've been in Wynwood for a very long time, + it's a mission of mine to keep it great.

MAKE WYNWOOD GREAT AGAIN

 

Han Shot First is my favorite JWB label, but I'm a Star Wars geek.

 

Same here. I've got a Greedo shrine in my bedroom that I added the bottle to.

 

He could always spend some of his cash on one of these. If he really cares about his customers
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Mosq...KSV_KheqWPWfrreUNWIAoaAqMy8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

So your solution would be to draw more mosquitos right to the brewery?

 

Which part? Where he took people's money and failed to deliver?

 

Hey Hot Shot... That machine actually will attract mosquitoes to IT away from people. It will cover an acre area. So they can put it off to the side or hell on the roof and it will do its job.

 

possibly that too. but don't worry, i have a feeling that will be brought up again.

 

This might wishful thinking here but... @HarryS any chance that you guys will have When In Doubt in the taproom?

Also, I just want to echo the sentiments of others here: you're doing a awesome job as liaison between us and the brewery.

 

Will the Angry chair collab make it down this way at all, or only up in Tampa?

 

@HarryS
This post seems, in no small way, to indicate that the brewery, ownership and staff are ignorant of exactly what is happening and has happened regarding the Zika outbreak, albiet not due to lack of effort to seek that information.

With this in mind, I find the following Facebook post to be troublesome, particularly the statement in bold:

It's another beautiful Wednesday in our neighborhood and nothing is stopping us from providing our community with our handcrafted suds. We're meeting up with many local businesses, colleagues, and friends today within the Wynwood Business Improvement District - Miami, Floridato discuss Zika, it's concerns, and how we can all unite to bring awareness, safety, and business back to our neighborhood.

We're not closing down our doors and we refuse to let Zika continue to scare off visitors, travelers, and our beloved locals. Though there is concern for health, together we are all taking action to make the neighborhood safe with each of our own efforts and your support.

We are happy to say that our brewery is a safe zone. As per the CDC, staying indoors and utilizing air conditioning help to prevent insects and those carrying Zika. Feel safe inside our tap room beer in hand and away from the outside elements. Our brewery staff is maintaining our parking lot and outside areas to insure every thing is clean, fumigated, and that there is no standing water.

We recommend that everybody take an extra step of precaution and utilize EPA registered insect repellent and apply as directed (treat your clothing and gear too!). This is not just for the Wynwood area, but for all of Miami.

During this time we are extending our HAPPY HOUR with $1 off ALL draughts from OPEN-8PM Wednesday through Friday and $1 off all draughts all day on Sunday. This Saturday for Art Walk we will be offering guests 20% off their entire tab when they show a valid receipt of purchase form a local Wynwood establishment.

We will continue to keep our doors open with regular hours of operations and keeping our community informed. We hope everyone can join us and look forward to seeing you in the Wood.

‪#‎wynwood‬ ‪#‎miami‬ ‪#‎community‬ ‪#‎support‬ ‪#‎happyhour‬ ‪#‎iamwynwood‬‪#‎loveforlocals‬

I find that advertising a business as a "safe zone" when it is clearly in the zone that the CDC has declared to be most unsafe, is irresponsible, negligent and potentially dangerous, particularly when the brewery is admittedly ignorant of the facts. In all forms of hospitality, the number one priority of ownership and management is to ensure the safety of their guests while they are in the building. I find this to be quite the opposite.

I truly am sympathetic to the staff of JWB. I have been working in hospitality for 16 years and have depended on tips for my livelihood for the majority of that. I understand that this health concern is beyond the control of the brewery, and it is an unfortunate situation for all the businesses and residents of the effected area. I hope to see this resolved in a timely manner and hope that all employees can make it through these tough times.

However, to use the specious and counterfactual term "safe zone" is grossly unprofessional. Though, that may just be par for the course from JWB.

Edit: I was going to elaborate on the fallacy of the statement from the CDC that i highlighted while quoting you, but i see that @TheSamKuehn already did that. Carry on.

 

@Gp311, @gnartothecore, + anybody else with this question....

Honest answer is, I don't know. I'm hoping so, but as of now I haven't heard anything. Sorry :/

If I do hear something, I'll let you know.

 

@MatthewPlus,
At this point, it seems like you're just looking for reasons to find fault in anything we do. I appreciate your concern for the staff, + thank you for it. I've also been in hospitality for over 20 years, so know a bit about it myself.

What's "irresponsible", + "disconcerting", is the Health Department + the CDC's refusal to make public what they told us at the meeting. I say the same for the local government, as well as the State. Like I said in a post before, the words we use like "Safe Zone", were given to us at that meeting, BY the same organization you're using to say we're doing the wrong thing, + the rest of what is in bold, is also what the Health Department official, the mosquito "experts" they sent along with the Health Department employee, who also represented the CDC at that meeting, are exactly what they told us. We are not just assuming things are ok. The same organizations you're using to call us out on "disturbing" posts, are the ones saying this.

Really, what else can I tell you?

This is a serious question, + not one to be an asshole towards you, although i'm afraid with the way things go in this thread, it's how you'll take it.....Are you truly that concerned for the public, or more concerned with making us the bad guy? Have you even come by the brewery to see the steps we're taking, + have taken, to make everybody feel as safe as they can be?

 

Please allow me to respond in order, to the sections of your quoted response, which i have placed in bold:

At his point, it seems like you're just looking for reasons to find fault in anything we do
I have posted in this thread exactly 4 times, including this post. The first time was mostly to point out the logical fallacies of an ill-conceived rant from another poster. I will admit at taking a dig at JWB, and Mr. Wakefield specifically, for the poor handling of the OG Society, which has been discussed, and will likely continue to be discussed, over numerous platforms, by numerous people for numerous years.
My second post was in response to your sarcastic reply to my first post (though, i don't mind sarcasm and certainly didn't/don't take it personally). It was to point out that you originally spoke about the majority of your fan base being local, then essentially went on to mock your own sentiment as superfluous. I then took the opportunity to explain why former OG members were justifiably still salty. This is the second time I alluded to the mishandling of the OG society; still, a singular issue.
In my most recent post, the one you quoted, I took umbrage to the use of the term "safe zone"; i feel that my exception was well-justified and i stand by those comments. This is the second issue with which i have expressed displeasure.
So to your assertion of, "At his point, it seems like you're just looking for reasons to find fault in anything we do", I find it to be a Strawman of rather high magnitude.

What's "irresponsible", + "disconcerting", is the Health Department + the CDC's refusal to make public what they told us at the meeting.
This is a Tu Quoque Fallacy. The assertion that another entity is engaging in the same behavior of which your employer has been accused does not excuse either party.

Like I said in a post before, the words we use like "Safe Zone", were given to us at that meeting
I can find no record of you previously saying this, nor anything to its effect. It is possible that i am incorrect; if this is the case, please indicate where you mentioned the CDC advising you on the language appropriate to use in dealing with this matter.

"disconcerting" "disturbing"
I feel it is appropriate to point out that while you have used quotation marks to indicate that you are using my words as your own, I never used either of these words in my post. You quoted me with the quote feature; might as well utilize it instead of incorrectly attributing words to me.
That being said, in fairness and for the sake of intellectual honesty, I did use language similar to this, but if you're going to use quotation marks regarding my words, I'd appreciate it if you used them appropriately.

not one to be an asshole towards you
While i appreciate your preface, I assure you it is not needed. As I have mentioned previously, you seem like a decent guy just doing your job. I find it unfortunate that you are stuck in a role as a pseudo-liaison, on an online forum no less, for a brewery that certainly has its fair share of detractors. Rest assured that i value honest discourse.

Are you truly that concerned for the public, or more concerned with making us the bad guy?
Yes, I am truly concerned for the public. I find the spread of Zika to be one of the more horrifying propositions in recent memory. I also find myself and my wife in the unlucky segment of people potentially most adversely effected by the virus: those actively trying to become pregnant (the process is fun, though ). I also have family who live in Coral Gables, and am concerned about the containment of this virus, selfishly for their safety, but I am also empathetic for all those potentially effected.
I also want to make it clear that my displeasure with JWB is not a matter of the "us" you reference, and i find it unfortunate, albeit understandable, that you use that term. My distaste is directly solely at your employer for reasons that have nothing to do with your or your colleagues on staff (to my knowledge). While it may be vexatious to some or many, people who voice their displeasure with your employer are merely exercising a constitutional right (as are others who have erroneously called it "circle-jerking"). That right will likely continue to be exercised for the foreseeable future, and in my opinion, justifiably so.

Have you even come by the brewery to see the steps we're taking, + have taken,
No, I have not. But your use of the word "even" here is problematic in that it seems to indicate that if i cannot appeal to personal experience, my opinion is unjustified. This is a projection of an Anecdotal Fallacy.

Have you even come by the brewery to see the steps we're taking, + have taken, to make everybody feel as safe as they can be?
As I mentioned previously, I would not put myself in the position of visiting the brewery (personal feelings about supporting the owner not withstanding), due to not wanting to put myself in a position of having a higher potential (no matter how small some may claim it to be, rightly or wrongly) of contracting a dangerous virus.
My issue with the last part of this statement is that you (not a personal you, but referring to your establishment) admittedly do not know how safe everyone is, and are unqualified to make that assessment. If your employer was truly concerned with making everybody, staff included, "as safe as can be", then he would suspend operations until either enough information is available not only to the business, but also to the public, to be able to make a responsible and informed decision on what actions must be taken to ensure the health and safety of your guests. While I realize this is an unlikely/idealistic/pseudo-unreasonable scenario, it is the most responsible one.

I hope that you, your colleagues, your employer, and the residents and visitors to your area remain as safe as possible until this unique and awful situation is rectified. I hope this has helped to illustrate my feelings on the matters about which you inquired.

 

"I hope that you, your colleagues, your employer, and the residents and visitors to your area remain as safe as possible until this unique and awful situation is rectified. I hope this has helped to illustrate my feelings on the matters about which you inquired."

Thank you. Cheers.

 

Fellow advocates,
This is beer we are talking about. If you feel comfortable going to the brewery, then go. If not, don't go. It is just beer.

 

This is beer we are talking about.
Incorrect. We are talking about a public health and safety issue. Just because you appear to not like the discourse does not mean you should be dismissive of its importance.

If you feel comfortable going to the brewery, then go. If not, don't go.
This is a fair statement, even if overly simplified. I feel the discussion on the way in which a publican promotes the safety of their establishment is a conversation worth having. If you do not feel similarly, feel free to abstain.