Oats: how much is too much?

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  1. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    Hi all!

    I just recently had, and loved, Other Half's Dream in Green, Very much NE style IPA, and reminded me a bit of Tired Hands with all the oats. According to Other Half, it is more than 50% oats! This seems crazy to me, or at least pushing things too far, but the beer was right in my wheelhouse.

    So - any thoughts on a beer with 50% oats in the mash? I do BIAB, so not worried about a stuck mash/sparge, but not sure what else I should worry about - conversion? mash temp? malted vs rolled?

    Anyway - any thoughts or experience is much appreciated.
     
  2. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    That much oats is going to make a GIANT mess IMO...similar to straining breakfast oatmeal through your bag. I have gone 25% of the grain bill before (BIAB as well) and didn't like dealing with the mess and issues with absorption and trying to sparge enough to get a full volume boil. I also got a really low conversion efficiency compared to usual. I now go with 15% as my personal max to negate most of those issues. My beers may not be as oaty as some like, but I'm happy not having the headache.
     
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  3. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

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  4. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    That's a good question - I don't have any idea if it's all flaked, or a combination of flaked and malted, or golden naked. I haven't been able to get any info out of them on it. I suppose it could be something like 25% flaked and 25% malted or GNO?
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “…and reminded me a bit of Tired Hands with all the oats.” For the past couple of years Tired Hands has been brewing with oat malt (Thomas Fawcett).

    @DrMindbender states: “That much oats is going to make a GIANT mess IMO...similar to straining breakfast oatmeal through your bag.” Are you referring to flaked oats with this statement?

    Cheers!
     
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  6. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    Im not sure about OH, but I know tired hands does 30% Thomas Fawcett oat malt in their milkshake series and I'm sure in some of their IPAs as well.

    I just did a 30% oat malt, 10% flaked oat, all citra NEIPA that I'm happy with. Although with all the citra, not sure how much oat I'm really able to taste. Mouthfeel is great though
     
  7. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Yes...I'm referencing flaked. Should have mentioned that. Cheers Jack!
     
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  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Two things to consider here:

    1) when you're working with that much unhusked grain, you're going to need something to prevent a stuck sparge. Rice hulls work wonders.

    2) With that much adjunct, you're going to have to be conscious of the diastatic power of your base malt. It's going to need to be high or else you're not going to get complete conversion and you'll get poor efficiency.
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    IMO, that's all you're going to get out of oats. Better mouthfeel because of an increase in beta-glucan content of the wort. Most adjuncts really don't "taste" like anything, but they do have benefits as far as body and mouthfeel go.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Neither of the two items you list are an issue when brewing with Oat Malt.

    Cheers!
     
  11. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I did something like 20% rolled oats and 10-15% flaked wheat in my last NEIPA. Worked out well, I think, but I'll probably tinker with the recipe next time to dial it in.

    Arizona Wilderness did one a while back that was 100% oat malt. Can't say I was a huge fan, but it was definitely beer!
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Oat Malt is not an adjunct.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Indeed. Didn't think that the OP was, though, was he?
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The OP posted:

    “I just recently had, and loved, Other Half's Dream in Green, Very much NE style IPA, and reminded me a bit of Tired Hands with all the oats. According to Other Half, it is more than 50% oats!”

    In my first post to this thread I detailed that Tired Hands has been brewing with Oat Malt for the past couple of years – they use Thomas Fawcett Oat Malt.

    Cheers!
     
  15. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Indeed, but rolled oats certainly are. I'm unsure of why you are pointing this out. Did I contradict myself somewhere along the line or give the OP misinformation?
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I posted for two reasons:
    • When a person states "oat" that does not mean they are only referring to flaked oats.
    • In my above reply to you I repeated my post discussing that Tired Hands uses Oat Malt when brewing their beers.
    Cheers!
     
  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Don't know if he changed it, but I read this:

     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And I also read his original post as well.

    The only specific mention of rolled oats was his question at the end: "malted vs rolled?"

    Elsewhere when he asked about "50% oats" he did not specify which type of oat.

    Cheers!
     
  19. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    Apologies for any confusion and thanks for the feedback . . . correct that I did not specify malted vs rolled oats. Mostly I am just trying to figure out what OH might have done, and how to replicate that on my setup. Seems like ECCS is on the right track - any reason you went with 30/10 as the malted/rolled split, as opposed to 20/20 or any other ratio?
     
  20. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    No real concrete reason. I met Jean from tired hands at the half acre hidden gem release and he told me 30% fawcett oats. So I've had that stuck in my head...

    Over the last 2 or 3 batches, I've used a lot of specialty malt (flaked oats/wheat/rye, malted oats, oat milk, white wheat, honey malt, rye malt, dex malt, etc...). For my next batch I'm going to do all 2row with no specialities and keep the hop/yeast treatment the same to see what all those "extras" are really adding to the beer.
     
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