Sixpoint Beer Purchasing App

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  1. underwater_

    underwater_ Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2014 New York

    Exactly my original point, but succinct and less snarky. The headline should have been "we are canning our beer from Brooklyn for the first time, and also will be open to the public for the first time in x number of years and will have a taproom open soon". Not some tired techbro dross.

    Also, all these "first, groundbreaking" claims just ring counter to my own experience. Moved here a decade ago, and walked around and drank Brooklyn Brewery within months anytime of the week I wanted to. Fell hard for Bengali around 2009/2010. Cans got weird after and I realized I was drinking LionsHead for the first time since being under 18 growing up in central Pennsylvania. To point to a contract brewing technicality just to dick wag, while also slagging off people who only do things within the 5 boroughs and distro themselves, feels kind of bad.
     
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  2. underwater_

    underwater_ Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2014 New York

    So he was saying Brooklyn Brewery failed? That's like saying Grimm has failed cause it took them two-three years to get a physical location. Or that it took you guys only 7 instead of Hindy's 8 years to come back to homebase after capitalizing on a borough's name. There is a trophy place across the street that can engrave fractions if you want one, just why bring it up?
     
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  3. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    No, that's what you just said - no one else is saying that. Don't reinvent what either he or I said though.

    We are 9 days away from the actual release date, and we have a better view/perspective of the demand than probably anyone, mostly because we know how many users who have downloaded our app and the number of people who have signed up for the beta version (which goes out tomorrow).

    While we are confident it will provide a lot of convenience for customers, we are also pretty impressed by the initial demand. You just can't see it because there's not a lot of people right now wasting their time standing in a line. :slight_smile:
     
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  4. underwater_

    underwater_ Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2014 New York

    Not reinventing, quoting.
     
  5. PapasDelicateCondition

    PapasDelicateCondition Initiate (0) Sep 7, 2016 New York

    Sixpoint, you had me until this page but now I would recommend a little humility even if you have "opened" all the doors for others that you claim. I downloaded the app (based on pages 1 and 2) but that doesn't mean I'm buying anything.
     
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  6. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    Yup, agreed on that front, and at the end of the day we're just making beer, and just trying to do a good job at it. The core desire is to make the customer experience the best it can possibly be, and that is the intention of the app. We saw a problem that existed in craft beer, and we are trying to devise a solution to make the experience better. If it doesn't work, we'll have to go back to the drawing board and try again. We've been there many times in the past!
     
  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Just a "heads-up." It's not unheard of for new systems such as this to have a "success disaster" in the sense that your server may be overloaded with a "storm surge" of folks logging in to put in their orders.
     
  8. algebeeric_topology

    algebeeric_topology Pooh-Bah (2,028) Dec 30, 2014 Florida
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    72 oz vs 64 oz is mostly irrelevant even though one might point out that it's more than 10% more beer!!!! You brought up price while you and I were once comparing available ipa cans in NYC. I'm just bringing it back :wink:


    The vast majority of NYC can releases are $18 per 4pk. If I'm already going 45 minutes to an hour (both ways) out of my way to make it out to Red Hook/Gowanus or Williamsburg or Queens, what's another .50 per can to get really good beer? I would always pay .50 per can for a noticeably better beer but I especially would when factoring in an hour and a half to 2 hour trip.


    Where't the value? It's in the quality of the beer. While I'm hopeful for these upcoming Sixpoint beers to be excellent, there has been nothing hoppy offered by Sixpoint that's been competitive with the best beers we wait in line for. That includes Resin, Puff, Hi-Res, and Bengali.


    Again, Sixpoint makes good beer available for a lot of people that otherwise might not have great local options. I know Sixpoint is really popular in its distribution footprint and here on BA. I'm not here to say Sixpoint doesn't make good beer. Here in the city though, it has not been the case that Resin, Puff, Hi-Res, or Bengali have been competitive with our best options available from local brewers. I do hope these new beers are awesome and that changes, but the hype is a bit aggressive. It almost sound like desperation though I know that's not the case.
     
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  9. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    "I do hope these new beers are awesome and that changes, but the hype is a bit aggressive."

    I agree with you on that front Rob. I actually prefer there to be no hype. Let's let the product speak for itself. Since no one has actually tried it yet, the answer/feedback remains to be seen. Let us know if you are coming down to try!
     
  10. algebeeric_topology

    algebeeric_topology Pooh-Bah (2,028) Dec 30, 2014 Florida
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    I'd rather sneak in and out so I can shamelessly slander the beer online without the guilt that comes from a personal relationship.
     
  11. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    Now there's a man of integrity. We should all strive to be so honorable! :grin:
     
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  12. Markstr

    Markstr Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2015 New York

    Where does Six Point make most their beer? They've done a good job of leveraging their Brooklyn roots (and they're certainly vigorously defending them here) but I don't really think of them as a Brooklyn brewery anymore....because they don't really brew their beer in Brooklyn. Maybe they make a little here but that hasn't been the norm. That's fine, but I've always thought their labeling and brand messaging was misleading.

    And while I loved my Bengali Tiger back in the mid 2000's, to me they've really just seemed complacent the last decade. I don't begrudge any business focusing on making money but the industry kind of left them behind a couple years ago. I've really haven't looked forward to a of theirs in the last 10 years.

    Back in the day that their distribution guys had an unflattering reputation, but I met a sales person earlier this year and he seemed like a nice guy. This one is important to me because I think big beer's biggest crime isn't its beer but it's abuse of distribution leverage.

    So, who knows? Good luck to them! I'd love to try their new release.

    The one thing that does crack me up is seeing them criticize the 'herd mentality' of the craft beer scene after bringing in one of the brewers most sought after and respected by 'the herd.'

    Anyway, I sincerely wish them the best and I'd love it if they actually started making beer for the premium craft market. It would be welcome!
     
  13. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,988) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    I mean the average beer geek like me and many others who won't go to the extremes some people will go through.

    No, that is not what I am saying. If the beer is fantastic in high demand like beers that are sold via lines, the shitty behavior will turn in to shitty behavior on-line, the same behavior that is used by scalpers to grab all the concert tickets and jack up the prices. If your beer turns out to be on the level of OH, you can be assured the resellers will go to all lengths to be first in line and take some of the supply. Why should the average beer geek have to compete with this. Hence my suggestions on that eliminate your belief that "first in line"counts for something.
     
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  14. Greyvtrayn

    Greyvtrayn Savant (1,034) Feb 17, 2017 New Jersey
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    I think Sixpoint may now be my favorite. This thread is hilarious! So many strong opinions and evident animosity about something as trivial as beer....I wish everyone had this much passion about something that actually matters.
     
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  15. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    I don't think we ever had a conversation on here before, but you seem like a really informed person who knows the scene. I am happy you chimed in.

    We certainly are not "big beer" - we are an independent and mid-sized brewery, but you should have nothing but positive experiences with our sales team or any of our distributor's sales' teams. If you ever have otherwise, please let us know right away because that is unacceptable.

    To be fair, we criticized the "herd mentality" of following a preordained aesthetic and modus operandi of the retail experience in craft beer. Our hiring of Eric Bachli to lead our Product Development team has nothing to do with wanting to engulf a sought-after brand. I've known Eric long before he ever was a brewer at Trillium - I first met him while he was working at the Craft Beer Cellar. This was even before he even had a career as a professional brewer. Before he was a brewer, he was a research scientist. This is why he fits in so well at Sixpoint. We actually had multiple interviews and visits and sit-downs where he met many people on our team, and we realized that his vision for craft beer and the future was aligned with ours. It made perfect sense. And now we want to share those creations with people like you.

    "Anyway, I sincerely wish them the best and I'd love it if they actually started making beer for the premium craft market. It would be welcome!"

    We appreciate the positive intention, and we are determined to deliver on that. Would be great to see you at the brewery soon.

    "I mean the average beer geek like me and many others who won't go to the extremes some people will go through."

    Thank you for clarifying that. We are confident our new system will help people like you get access to the beer without too much hassle. And if for some reason you are denied access, we will humbly admit the system is flawed and we will work to fix that. As long as you are providing the constructive feedback, we are going to be working to improve the experience.

    "If the beer is fantastic in high demand like beers that are sold via lines, the shitty behavior will turn in to shitty behavior on-line, the same behavior that is used by scalpers to grab all the concert tickets and jack up the prices."

    We appreciate that insight. But that is one of the main reasons why we decided to develop an app for this process. You see, when you sell beer via a conventional line where anyone will line up for access, you have zero control over who lines up for that line and how the people can behave in that line. Whereas when you create a selling platform through an app, you actually have a ton of control of how the product is sold, who can buy what, and how its allocated. It actually does place more control in the hands of the seller to cultivate the selling environment for people. Our intention is actually to take the pain and tension out of this process and make it more enjoyable for people like you. But like I said before, if we don't get it right on the first try, we will definitely go back to the drawing board to make it better.

    I do think we are jumping the gun a bit to presume that all of the people will resort to bad behavior if the demand exceeds the supply. But you are right, if that is indeed the case, we will need to tweak and adjust our system in order to make it more enjoyable for folks like you. And we are determined to do that, as long as we have solid feedback along the way.

    There's a saying that we have framed in a poster in the office at Sixpoint in Brooklyn, and it says, "We take beer seriously, but we don't take ourselves too seriously."

    You had a very powerful insight that people get so worked up over beer. Its true! There are so many other products that we buy on a regular basis that people just don't care about. They don't spend their time on forums expressing their opinions, visiting the producers, or rating the products. So in this regard, beer is special.

    When you say, "I wish everyone had this much passion about something that actually matters...."

    .....you actually touch upon an paradoxical truth....beer is something that ultimately does not matter, but at the same time, its one of the most important things in the world. What I mean by this is ultimately the things that really matter are our loved ones, our family, the relationships we all forge and the sense of purpose and meaning we have in our lives...but if you remove beer from that experience, the whole thing just kinda sucks. There are definitely more eloquent ways to express this, but beer just fucking rules. And yes, its worth fighting for because the quest to make good beer and to find good beer and to drink good beer is worth fighting for. And that is what drives me to keep on contributing to these forums and the scene like we have done since 2004. It is an honor to share that with you and people like @JackHorzempa @drtth @SixpointJMH @Ilovelampandbeer @JohnnyMc and many others, going back many years now.

    cheers
     
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  16. VTnerf

    VTnerf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2015 Maryland

    Great point. And I would add that RAR has gone to a ticketing system that is working great for them. You can pick up Saturday and Sunday. Can't make it? Get your tickets to a mule to pick up for you. Can't find a mule? Well, look for a trade. Or, gasp, just wait til the next one. This has allowed RAR to get to further reaches easier, getting their name out there.

    On top of that, they are in a downtown mid-block location. It's difficult for a line to form and keep the neighboring shops happy. With the ticket system, people can come by whenever. And you know what happens at that point? They actually come inside for a pint and maybe a bite to eat. (Or eat at a nearby restaurant.) With a line, it's grab and run. With the tickets, it's a destination, and there is more $ spent inside during the trip.
     
  17. Brian_Lynch

    Brian_Lynch Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2014 New York

    Hi all! Few of my mates are coming into town next weekend and we're thinking about visiting SP for the first time. Few questions....
    What time do we have to show up to guarantee full allotment? Would 6:00am be good? What is their chair policy? Can we byob? Thanks!
     
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  18. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,988) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Drop your chair at 5:30 at SP, push your shopping carts over to Other Half, get in line, start pounding 13% whales. Around 10:30 or so fill up said shopping carts with OH beer, stagger back to SP, reclaim your spot in line, pass out in chair, when line starts moving, get up, get to front, pile SP beer on top of Other Half cases, stagger home.

    Repeat again following weekend.
     
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  19. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,159) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    Can you park at McDonald's though?
     
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  20. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,988) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Yes, the real pros will use a tractor to pull all the shopping carts and park the tractor in the handicap spots at McDonalds. Just need to go in and buy a small order of hash browns to be a customer and can park there all weekend.
     
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