Traditional beer glassware

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by MNAle, Aug 21, 2018.

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  1. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I have a somewhat casual interest in beer-related cultures and traditions.

    So, the thread on Best Hoppy Beer Glass - 2018 Edition got me thinking about "traditional" beer glassware (kind of the opposite idea from that thread, I'm not taking about recent innovations in glassware.)

    I'm not talking about the best glass style for a particular beer, either.

    But glassware that has seen the test of time (40-50+ years or so) and has an identity beyond craft beer, such as being associated with a particular beer tradition, region, or culture.

    For example, the dimpled mug is traditional, whereas the IPA glass is not (according to me :wink: ).

    I view these as traditional glassware styles:
    • nonic pint (closely tied to the UK pub culture)
    • Irish pint (for the Irish dry stout pub culture)
    • dimpled mug (Bavarian beer culture, Oktoberfest)
    • pilsner glass (obvious)
    • weizen glass (German wheat beer)
    • stange (Kölsch)
    • chalice (Belgian)

    Others?

    Does this interest anyone besides me?
     
  2. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Others how about the bottle it came in!
     
  3. Ahonky

    Ahonky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2018 New York

    I thought the dimpled mug was English.

    I agree with your list
     
  4. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    I think it is interesting, but it comes down to intent in a lot of ways, I'm definitely fascinated by the history of beer and beer culture historically, but I also view that fascination as a means to an end, essentially, how does understanding certain historical ideas and conditions help me understand the beer that I drink, the intent (in terms of the experience), and where does that fit in the context of the style of beer as I understand it.

    A good example would be saison, I view the saison in three distinct ways, as a historical classification, a modern style, and a post modern starting point, in that historically, the saison is belgian and seasonal, and that's it, in terms of modernity, the jumping off point is beers like saison dupont, saison d'epautre, de glazen toren etc. and in the post modern sense it's beers that have taken the historic definition (or lack thereof) and used it as a justification to make anything that is sour or brett and call it a saison (they are not technically wrong).

    So getting back to the question of glassware I would say this, while it is an interesting topic for it's own sake, I don't think it is approached in 2018 as it was historically, so other than just being something that might be fun to think about, I don't know how useful it really is as subject.

    There are many people who view serving a beer in the same way one might make a microchip, which is not necessarily a bad thing but the question, to a certain extent becomes, what aspects of the limitations of technology and time help make the style what it is and does that even matter. What I mean to say is that, I highly doubt that by modern standards and historic glass was well made or clean or designed with a specific beer style in mind from a gastronomical angle, but to a certain extent, much like green bottles help define certain beers through skunking by the flaw in their design, some of these technological deficiencies might help define certain styles (a sour beer is a spoiled beer that has been spoiled on purpose). So the question is finally (for me), based on all of these factors, do these historical conditions matter in any way to how I understand and appreciate beer, as a beverage?
     
  5. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I remember seeing the big glass boot (das boot) in the movie beerfest, but didn't see it in germany at all. I assume these glasses have been used, but are more of a decorative thing for the most part.

    I saw a non traditional beer receptacle being used on a skateboarding show recently. These guys cut the tops off of green bell peppers and drink a beer out of them before cooking with them on the grill. Slightly off topic, but I usually am.
     
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  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    US: The shell, sham pilsner and hourglass:
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    (jpegs borrowed from 'net, not exactly to scale).
     
  7. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    There's a great Martyn Cornell piece about the history of English beer glasses here:
    http://zythophile.co.uk/2007/06/29/a-short-history-of-beer-glasses/

    I agree with him about the awfulness of nonics, but yes, they were the default pint glass in pubs for a long time. I think I probably see more straight sided glasses these days, but that might be a function of the sort of pub I drink in.
     
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  8. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Maybe my nomenclature is incorrect, but this is what I meant:

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  9. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    That's a Maßkrug, or Seidel. The English Dimpled Mug, or Dimpled Pint, is much smaller in size and also of a different shape.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I certainly would not state this is "traditional" but when I was coming of age (drinking age) there were bars at the Jersey shore that would serve cheap beer in Goldfish bowls:

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  11. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Yes. Back when I was barely old enough to drink (legally), I put away more than a few 25-cent draws of Columbus-brewed Gambrinus served up in one of these thumbprint goblets. It's the first one that came to mind. I'd also suggest the wine glass and the champagne flute, although those may not be as widely used as the ones listed on the OP.

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    Gambrinus was one of the brands produced by August Wagner Breweries in Columbus, OH. The brewery is long gone, but the King Gambrinus statue still stands in Columbus' Brewery District.

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  12. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    My favorite type of traditional glass is the German/Czech pilsner glass.

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  13. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Reminds me of an Always sunny episode where they drink these bright blue drink from bowls like this.

    Enjoy
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Any 'traditional' glass means that it has been around for a while, and to me that means European in origin. Not much history is included here in Wikipedia, but it's a pretty good descriptive list of candidates for this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_glassware
     
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  15. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    I have the same glassware, but Hamm's instead of Falstaff. "Born in the land of sky blue waters"
     
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  16. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Yea, I think that style of glass was pretty common at one time (I'm sure @jesskidden would know better as to the specific time period) as I've seen lots of various examples in antique stores and at garage sales - Budweiser, coors, pabst, Falstaff, etc.
     
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  17. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Yes, I love beer glassware almost as much as I love beer ...
    What about the traditional ceramic beer mug/stein? Both the fancier ones - which date back to the late 19th century at least, and the more simple utilitarian ones. Similarly there is the pewter or wood tankard.
     
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, they do turn up all over. I was always surprised at how many I'd find at flea markets or garage sales in multiples of differing brands, some not really "native" to the area. Turns out they were sold all over the country in Variety and "5¢ and Dime" type stores. Some mid-1970s ads:
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    Sure, they seem cheap but the BLS Inflation Calculator says 47¢ = $2.54 in today's dollars. :grin:
    (I've also had people tell me they bought them as candles).

    Yeah, those Gambrinus statues (of slightly different designs) were all over. Heileman, now City, had a pretty well-known one in La Crosse, WI (still there, I think) and the Boston Beer Co. brewery outside Allentown, PA., has this one (IIRC, they removed the typical multi-colored paint job):
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    Schaefer, the original builder and owner of that brewery added the statue a few years after opening in 1972, moving it from their Albany brewery (originally Beverwyck) when it closed.

    (Supposedly, Rudy Schaefer offered to give it to the Krueger Brewing Co. in Newark, NJ when theirs fell down in the mid-50s but decided against it due to an outcry by Albanians.)

    Other well-known Gambrinus' that survived Prohibition in US were at Fox Head in Waukesha, Haberle in Syracuse, Pabst in Milwaukee, American in Baltimore and Falstaff's New Orleans brewery (maybe one at their Narragansett/Cranston brewery?). I think there's one at a Modelo brewery in Mexico.
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Sounds like someone took the beer glass terminology of "fishbowl" (typically a large goblet of ~18-24 up to 32 ounces) literally.
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  20. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Albeit not glassware by definition a wooden tankard, which was called a stånka/ölstånka in Swedish, would certainly be traditional as far as drinking vessels go.

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